Berserk Chapter 355 Discussion
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- #30
Draconix814 said:
Hiatus source from Yonkou Prod, not reliable enough, I won't believe it until I see an ANN article.
I won't believe it too. Like 4 chapters after getting serialization, he wants hiatus? srsly!
And there's no hiatus msg at the end of the chapter. Last 3 of his hiatus, there's a msg about him going hiatus (chapters 343, 347 and 351). So, I won't believe he is gonna Hiatus. I hope so.
not disagreeing with the hiatus message issue but the last 2 or three hiatuses began after exactly four chapters so it wouldn't be unreasonable
- #31
Come on Casca, get ur shit together now isn't the time to go all ptsd again.
I just hate that and the fact that I can't see what's gonna happen next since I was reading from the start. I don't want to have to wait fck this. I'm gonna drop it and read again in few years until 3 or 4 chapters have been released - _ -
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Edit: After thinking about it, it might not be as predictable as some would think, Casca's scream could be her excitement and relief of seeing Guts for so long maybe even something else idk. But I highly doubt Miura will make Casca go crazy again, something might happen but she'll have all her head, if not that would be just ridiculous I don't see why Miura would ever choose this repetitive way of scenario.
I have a feeling that the Elf Queen still has them in some sort of trance or dream. She probably did it so she'd face her demons without doing so directly. Just seems weird the way Guts was presented in her perspective. After she actually wakes up, she would only have Guts left to make amends with. BUT THAT'S JUST A THEORY. A (probably wrong) THEORY.
- #33
Aardwolf94 said:
Draconix814 said:
Aardwolf94 said:
Draconix814 said:
Aardwolf94 said:
Draconix814 said:
Save your breath guys, he isn't going to listen no matter what you say. At this point, he's just trying to convince himself that he knows better than 53,140 individuals, and that's just including the people who rated it a 10. I would add everything up from those who rated an 8 or even a 9 and above, but that would just be a waste of time as my point still stands. Save your sanity, I beg of you.
And Aardwolf, if you want to come after me after saying this then be my guest-- just as long as you actually say something worthwhile, and backed up by evidence. Cite it if you have to.
Pack it up boys, Kimi no Na wa is the greatest animated movie ever because 247,965 people gave it a 10. And don't disagree since obviously they know better!
You talk to me about lacking arguments and then bring shit like this, like wtf.
No need to "come after you" (why do Berserk fans have to take their favourite manga being bashed so personally? holy shit), I know you will already ignore all my arguments and act like you know better (just like last time, where you ignored my reply).
According to you no criticism of Berserk's story and characters is worthwhile, lol.
You're acting like you're a super genius because you can apparently see what thousands of people cannot. The reason I said, "I would add everything up from those who rated it an 8 or 9" because chances are the people who do so are also criticizing Berserk for different reasons but can see the appeal and depth of the story even if they aren't huge fans of it. Even they would say that all of your arguments are bullshit. That said, I counted a good amount of dedicated Berserk fans who know the series like the back of their hand and gave you their time with very reasonable and well-constructed arguments. Yet you get butthurt whenever someone gives you a contrary opinion, and the only thing you can muster is simple and vague criticisms that just makes you sound like an edgy teenager that gets a high off of telling people they're wrong.
Though it is genuinely hilarious that you jumped to "no criticisms of Berserk and its story" from "back up your claims with evidence". LOL
So again, if someone bashes something like Kimi no Na wa/some other popular shit it means they are stupid because clearly the majority likes it. Thats a stupid argument and shows how dumb Berserk fans can really get really get since they are not used to their favourite manga being bashed. Its sad really, your posts reek of insecurity and butthurt.
Sry mate but I don't join any circlejerks and bandwagons and you shouldn't either.
When you give something a 8 or 9 that means the criticism you have for it isn't anything really bad & you are still a fan so of course they would disagree with me. How about the people who gave it a 5 and less? They would agree with me (at least some of my points) or are you just ignoring them because they aren't the majority? If there was an entry for the GA arc specifically I would give it a 10 but post Conviction there is just no depth, its shallow garbage as I explained multiple times so it deserves nothing more than a 2 (extra harsh because of good it used to be).
Yeah some did, others got butthurt like you ("can't respond to any of the posts civilly because of how retarded and worst of all, redundant they are") but some did want to have a mature discussion and I replied to them with my own arguments. We disagreed clearly and that's fine.
And nothing vague about my points, I even mentioned proper examples for each of them but of course to someone who thinks his shitty opinion is a fact (and supports it with shit like "majority agrees with me") also can't understand them.
Just stop already. Ignore my posts if you can't handle them
I can totally handle them because there's nothing to handle-- where is your evidence? You seem hell-bent on convincing us that you're right, then you tell us to ignore you, and in the midst of all of this, you still haven't said anything other than oversimplified and subjective (not objective) criticisms feelings. You then go on a tangent in an attempt to strawman the people criticizing your opinions and then you cry about them and say that everyone else is getting butthurt "because they are Berserk fans and can't handle other's opinions". If that isn't edgy af, then you aren't a human being. The world doesn't revolve around you, you know. Your opinions aren't factual or evident in any sort of manner and if you want so desperately to prove that you are correct, then cite your evidence. You are 110% allowed to dislike Berserk, but what I do not tolerate are lies or claims with no factual evidence. If you really want to prove your opinion to us so badly-- which you aren't convincing anybody, by the way, a sign that your arguments hold no merit whatsoever-- then go through every book of Berserk and cite the exact lines, pages, situations etc. in context with the rest of the story and tell us how exactly it fails as a work of art. I'm waiting.
So wait, when I bash Berserk its all subjective (I never said it wasn't btw) but when you circlejerk it to death with stupid arguments (Majority likes it! its retreading the same ground as the GA arc so it must be good etc.) its somehow objective and a fact? Can you get any more delusional & dumb? And now you have the nerve to act like the mature one who is preaching me about things like my opinions not being factual? GTFO
I have already posted my detailed arguments in the previous thread & explained again and again why I think this series sucks ass now & replied to your "arguments" each time. You are the one deflecting and acting like a butthurt kiddo who can't deal with different opinions and can't properly discuss things.
Look at the previous thread. I said it goes to shit post Conviction and explained why, you started to say no, its still great and I'm dumbing down shit. When I explained again, you just deflected and instead of replying to my points, started talking about how post Conviction retreads the same ground as the GA arc etc. When I again explained why that doesn't matter at all since the execution is important (and its bad now), you just ignored it and whined about how salty the thread is.
And just because I'm not convincing die hard Berserk fanboys (wasn't expecting it anyway) doesn't mean my arguments aren't valid. You need to get out of this echo chamber and realize that despite being a minority, there are people who don't like the direction this series has taken.
Dude, I've seen what you've done to the other people who replied to you (you twisted their argument to suit your narrative like you're doing here), so why wouldn't I try different angles to explain my arguments? And thank you for proving my point. You just admitted your points were subjective. Now that we got that out of the way, do all of your feelings for a series directly apply to everyone else's? Of course they don't. Yet you insist that because you don't like it, it is definitively bad. For example, you said that Isidro is annoying (annoying is a subjective term), and that he gets "no development" (which I still haven't seen you cite evidence of without resorting to vague oversimplifications of the events that transpired in the past 20 volumes), therefore he is a shit character. Your arguments are littered with so many logical fallacies that I get a headache when I read them, that's why I didn't respond. In fact, you commit the (1) Circular Reasoning fallacy, you commit the (2) Argument from Ignorance fallacy, you commit the (3) Argument from Personal Incredulity fallacy (your subjectivity, basically), and most sinfully, the (4) Argument of Repetition fallacy along with others such as (5) Hasty Generalizations and (6) Personal Attack/ Praise. https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html ---Repeating/ asserting (4) hasty generalizations (5) based off of your own subjectivity (3) and lack of understanding of the content (2), praising others who agree with your own opinion and attacking others with different opinions, (6) DOES NOT make you objectively correct. (Themes and messages inherent to the story too, though interpretable, are only recognized if they have evidence supporting it)
You know, you are right about one thing though, Aardwolf, that the majority isn't always right. That said, you don't seem to consider why so many people in the majority think the way they do. To bring up an example, Religion is such a big thing because no one at the time they were created knew what the world around them was and needed to feel like they were safe. They created stories that were incredibly idealistic, prophecies of stuff that already happened or never have a chance of happening and everyone bought into it and continued with their lives, ignorant of the truth everyone around them was pushing. But Berserk is not a religion or anything of the sort-- in fact, it bashes religion with its atheistic themes. Berserk is about defying fate among everything else-- and while that has a great appeal on its own, it wouldn't hold up as a piece of fiction if Guts just walked around, then killed the God Hand to defy the fate they branded him with. Instead, Guts prioritizes Casca, the only one whom he had romantic feelings forever; Shierke leaves the Holy See; Isidro stops being a thief to become a swordsman like Guts; Shierke finds her own path where witchcraft can be used for good, and even in the earlier chapters, Casca defied fate by being a female general, and soon find her sense of self before it was stripped away from her. To say that everything post-Conviction is inferior to the Golden Age Arc is blatantly ignoring how well it builds off of it and that's what I meant when I said it "tracked the same ground", I meant that Guts is finding his own path, and is doing it in a very similar way that Griffith did in the Golden Age arc with the context wholly different. Griffith betrayed his comrades because of his broken ambition, but Guts would never betray the people who have helped him along his journey as he wants something more meaningful than a kingdom with riches inside. This has been building up since the time Guts walked out on Griffith to find his own path in life.
I just made everything incredibly clear for you, Aardwolf, this is your last chance. If you really can't see your own errors in judgment after reading this then you really cannot be helped. I would like to thank you for giving me an excuse to learn more about logical fallacies, though. If you don't reply with something worthful, however, then you can be sure I won't reply back so if you are going to repeat the same argument with no variation or evidence like I gave you here, then you might as well save your breath too.
Well unlike you I'm not delusional enough to pretend my opinion is a fact (yours isn't either), that was just another butthurt overreaction from you.
And when did I say they apply to everyone else? I think Isidro is a garbage character, never said you have to think that way. Again you are the one who accused me of dumbing down things and spreading lies, having retarded arguments etc. just because I have a different opinion. And no you got a headache because you can't handle people bashing Berserk.
I explained exactly why Isidro is a shit character. Your only defense of his character was that he is a kid (as if that excuses anything, we already had more compelling realistic kid characters like Guts when he was young or Jill) and that he had development since he became nicer to his group.
Again like I said before, how is that nearly enough after 20 volumes & ridiculous amount of screentime? He is still overall the same obnoxious brat (who behaves like a Shounen protagonist) that he was back then, he never matured and his relationship with Guts was never explored in any meaningful way. I also explained why his character was unrealistic in a harsh world (with his annoying Shounen esque dream of becoming the best swordsman and naive personality) like Berserk where he would need to struggle, face real danger and could never just survive so easily (before he met Guts). It makes no sense that an overconfident, cocky kid like him hasn't faced any real level of misfortune or hardship in battle.
The question remains, how isn't he a bad character? He adds nothing to the overall story and is only there for comic relief. You only need to compare him with Jill who was basically a minor character in comparison, yet much more realistic and interesting. Her relationship with Rosine was deeper than any from Isidro, her dream of wanting to run away but ultimately deciding to face her problems (like how her father treated her) was fantastic development.
No I considered it and it really seems like people still rate Berserk so highly because of the masterpiece that is the GA arc and aren't as harsh as they should be (in my opinion, before you get upset again) with the rest of the series (particularly once Guts gets his new group) since for me its as clear as it gets..the series went downhill hard after Conviction (which was already flawed compared to GA).
Again in theory this would mean Berserk is great throughout but the execution sadly falls short, just like I explained before... Guts prioritizing Casca was fantastic development, yet dragged out for 18+ volumes and as a result his character became stale (the last time Guts got proper development was when he accepted his group). Guts finding his own path should be great but it isn't because none of his new relationships wit his new group are interesting, compared to the way his relationships with Griffith, Casca and hell even someone like Corkus were since there is no real conflict, no meaningful exploration. They just all love each other and thats it.
Farnese leaving the Holy see was also great for her character development. The problem is again that it was just too rushed. Just because she leaves the Holy See shouldn't mean that she just forgets about her dark desires that she had since a long time (like getting off on people burning..) and suddenly be 100% nice and good. It would have been much more interesting for her to struggle with her bad desires and previous life.
Isidro stopping with being a thief would be great if it was actually shown that his life as a simple thief was difficult, if his life after leaving his village was harsh (as it should be, a kid running around in a Berserk esque world alone?) and then of course his relationship with Guts was explored in an meaningful way and he became a more mature character. Thats all I asked for and got a bad shallow trope in return who behaves like Naruto.
What errors? Do you want me to suddenly agree with you and say Berserk is a perfect masterpiece? Not going to happen and it would be great if you could accept that people just have different opinions and the world doesn't revolve around you (basically take your own advice?), not to mention actually read my posts properly since I already explained most of this before.