Aardwolf94 said:
Draconix814 said:
Aardwolf94 said:
Draconix814 said:
Aardwolf94 said:
Draconix814 said:
Save your breath guys, he isn't going to listen no matter what you say. At this point, he's just trying to convince himself that he knows better than 53,140 individuals, and that's just including the people who rated it a 10. I would add everything up from those who rated an 8 or even a 9 and above, but that would just be a waste of time as my point still stands. Save your sanity, I beg of you.
And Aardwolf, if you want to come after me after saying this then be my guest-- just as long as you actually say something worthwhile, and backed up by evidence. Cite it if you have to.
Pack it up boys, Kimi no Na wa is the greatest animated movie ever because 247,965 people gave it a 10. And don't disagree since obviously they know better!
You talk to me about lacking arguments and then bring shit like this, like wtf.
No need to "come after you" (why do Berserk fans have to take their favourite manga being bashed so personally? holy shit), I know you will already ignore all my arguments and act like you know better (just like last time, where you ignored my reply).
According to you no criticism of Berserk's story and characters is worthwhile, lol.
You're acting like you're a super genius because you can apparently see what thousands of people cannot. The reason I said, "I would add everything up from those who rated it an 8 or 9" because chances are the people who do so are also criticizing Berserk for different reasons but can see the appeal and depth of the story even if they aren't huge fans of it. Even they would say that all of your arguments are bullshit. That said, I counted a good amount of dedicated Berserk fans who know the series like the back of their hand and gave you their time with very reasonable and well-constructed arguments. Yet you get butthurt whenever someone gives you a contrary opinion, and the only thing you can muster is simple and vague criticisms that just makes you sound like an edgy teenager that gets a high off of telling people they're wrong.
Though it is genuinely hilarious that you jumped to "no criticisms of Berserk and its story" from "back up your claims with evidence". LOL
So again, if someone bashes something like Kimi no Na wa/some other popular shit it means they are stupid because clearly the majority likes it. Thats a stupid argument and shows how dumb Berserk fans can really get really get since they are not used to their favourite manga being bashed. Its sad really, your posts reek of insecurity and butthurt.
Sry mate but I don't join any circlejerks and bandwagons and you shouldn't either.
When you give something a 8 or 9 that means the criticism you have for it isn't anything really bad & you are still a fan so of course they would disagree with me. How about the people who gave it a 5 and less? They would agree with me (at least some of my points) or are you just ignoring them because they aren't the majority? If there was an entry for the GA arc specifically I would give it a 10 but post Conviction there is just no depth, its shallow garbage as I explained multiple times so it deserves nothing more than a 2 (extra harsh because of good it used to be).
Yeah some did, others got butthurt like you ("can't respond to any of the posts civilly because of how retarded and worst of all, redundant they are") but some did want to have a mature discussion and I replied to them with my own arguments. We disagreed clearly and that's fine.
And nothing vague about my points, I even mentioned proper examples for each of them but of course to someone who thinks his shitty opinion is a fact (and supports it with shit like "majority agrees with me") also can't understand them.
Just stop already. Ignore my posts if you can't handle them
I can totally handle them because there's nothing to handle-- where is your evidence? You seem hell-bent on convincing us that you're right, then you tell us to ignore you, and in the midst of all of this, you still haven't said anything other than oversimplified and subjective (not objective) criticisms feelings. You then go on a tangent in an attempt to strawman the people criticizing your opinions and then you cry about them and say that everyone else is getting butthurt "because they are Berserk fans and can't handle other's opinions". If that isn't edgy af, then you aren't a human being. The world doesn't revolve around you, you know. Your opinions aren't factual or evident in any sort of manner and if you want so desperately to prove that you are correct, then cite your evidence. You are 110% allowed to dislike Berserk, but what I do not tolerate are lies or claims with no factual evidence. If you really want to prove your opinion to us so badly-- which you aren't convincing anybody, by the way, a sign that your arguments hold no merit whatsoever-- then go through every book of Berserk and cite the exact lines, pages, situations etc. in context with the rest of the story and tell us how exactly it fails as a work of art. I'm waiting.
So wait, when I bash Berserk its all subjective (I never said it wasn't btw) but when you circlejerk it to death with stupid arguments (Majority likes it! its retreading the same ground as the GA arc so it must be good etc.) its somehow objective and a fact? Can you get any more delusional & dumb? And now you have the nerve to act like the mature one who is preaching me about things like my opinions not being factual? GTFO
I have already posted my detailed arguments in the previous thread & explained again and again why I think this series sucks ass now & replied to your "arguments" each time. You are the one deflecting and acting like a butthurt kiddo who can't deal with different opinions and can't properly discuss things.
Look at the previous thread. I said it goes to shit post Conviction and explained why, you started to say no, its still great and I'm dumbing down shit. When I explained again, you just deflected and instead of replying to my points, started talking about how post Conviction retreads the same ground as the GA arc etc. When I again explained why that doesn't matter at all since the execution is important (and its bad now), you just ignored it and whined about how salty the thread is.
And just because I'm not convincing die hard Berserk fanboys (wasn't expecting it anyway) doesn't mean my arguments aren't valid. You need to get out of this echo chamber and realize that despite being a minority, there are people who don't like the direction this series has taken.
Dude, I've seen what you've done to the other people who replied to you (you twisted their argument to suit your narrative like you're doing here), so why wouldn't I try different angles to explain my arguments? And thank you for proving my point. You just admitted your points were subjective. Now that we got that out of the way, do all of your feelings for a series directly apply to everyone else's? Of course they don't. Yet you insist that because you don't like it, it is definitively bad. For example, you said that Isidro is annoying (annoying is a subjective term), and that he gets "no development" (which I still haven't seen you cite evidence of without resorting to vague oversimplifications of the events that transpired in the past 20 volumes), therefore he is a shit character. Your arguments are littered with so many logical fallacies that I get a headache when I read them, that's why I didn't respond. In fact, you commit the (1) Circular Reasoning fallacy, you commit the (2) Argument from Ignorance fallacy, you commit the (3) Argument from Personal Incredulity fallacy (your subjectivity, basically), and most sinfully, the (4) Argument of Repetition fallacy along with others such as (5) Hasty Generalizations and (6) Personal Attack/ Praise. https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html ---Repeating/ asserting (4) hasty generalizations (5) based off of your own subjectivity (3) and lack of understanding of the content (2), praising others who agree with your own opinion and attacking others with different opinions, (6) DOES NOT make you objectively correct. (Themes and messages inherent to the story too, though interpretable, are only recognized if they have evidence supporting it)
You know, you are right about one thing though, Aardwolf, that the majority isn't always right. That said, you don't seem to consider why so many people in the majority think the way they do. To bring up an example, Religion is such a big thing because no one at the time they were created knew what the world around them was and needed to feel like they were safe. They created stories that were incredibly idealistic, prophecies of stuff that already happened or never have a chance of happening and everyone bought into it and continued with their lives, ignorant of the truth everyone around them was pushing. But Berserk is not a religion or anything of the sort-- in fact, it bashes religion with its atheistic themes. Berserk is about defying fate among everything else-- and while that has a great appeal on its own, it wouldn't hold up as a piece of fiction if Guts just walked around, then killed the God Hand to defy the fate they branded him with. Instead, Guts prioritizes Casca, the only one whom he had romantic feelings forever; Shierke leaves the Holy See; Isidro stops being a thief to become a swordsman like Guts; Shierke finds her own path where witchcraft can be used for good, and even in the earlier chapters, Casca defied fate by being a female general, and soon find her sense of self before it was stripped away from her. To say that everything post-Conviction is inferior to the Golden Age Arc is blatantly ignoring how well it builds off of it and that's what I meant when I said it "tracked the same ground", I meant that Guts is finding his own path, and is doing it in a very similar way that Griffith did in the Golden Age arc with the context wholly different. Griffith betrayed his comrades because of his broken ambition, but Guts would never betray the people who have helped him along his journey as he wants something more meaningful than a kingdom with riches inside. This has been building up since the time Guts walked out on Griffith to find his own path in life. Unlike the Bible, which was ultimately used to control people with its intense idealism despite being a work of fiction, Berserk has no intent nor motive to lie to the viewer and in doing so millions have been attracted to the series for literally decades-- its reign being legendary as a result. Something like that doesn't happen if there is no meaning at all, and you can't just attribute it to the Golden Age Arc, even hardcore fans will turn against a series if it doesn't live up to the appeal and deliver new core messages with natural pace. Berserk has consistent characters, themes, and it's storytelling techniques have only been getting better and more complex since Miura started.
I just made everything incredibly clear for you, Aardwolf, this is your last chance. If you really can't see your own errors in judgment after reading this then you really cannot be helped. I would like to thank you for giving me an excuse to learn more about logical fallacies, though. If you don't reply with something worthful, however, then you can be sure I won't reply back so if you are going to repeat the same argument with no variation or evidence like I gave you here, then you might as well save your breath too.
