Naruto Chapter 681 Discussion

  • #130
jpem said:
TonyTonyStark said:
"He happened to exist before so that proves anything happening as not an asspull"



Great reasoning guys..Yeah seriously.

You guys are terrible at this. 'Him simply happening to exist' isn't, and shouldn't be, any sort of validation for these latest 'asspulls' as you so eloquently put. There have been a lot of instances in this story where certain actions Zetsu did implied that he played a more significant role in things, and the example I gave, is probably just one of many we have missed and overlooked.



It's not a matter of him existing since the start, that proves these latest developments. It's the subtle foreshadowment that was used involving his character that now make his actions more fathomable. Please don't continue to misinterpret things.
 
  • #131
This chapter was pretty much just Kishi realizing he has messed up, so he tried to fill his mistakes.



So let me get something straight, am I correct in saying that both the Ten Tails and Kaguya were creations of the God Tree? Just getting a bit confused about that.



Behemoth11 said:
Great chapter, but Sasuke seems pretty useless now. However, Izanagi doesn't require Senju DNA it seems, Hamura looks like a devil and Kuro Zetsu is the mastermind. Izanagi requires Senju DNA if you're not Uchiha.
 
  • #132
Oh my god I cannot believe what my eyes are reading, are thete actually people praising Kishi in this thread or are you all fucking blind fanboys? Geez wake up from your dreams, this isn't GOOD this is plain BAD. I'm astounded..
 
  • #133
"He happened to exist before so that proves anything happening as not an asspull"



Great reasoning guys..
 
  • #134
jayss said:
Ha, Black Zetsu's origins were always a mystery. I do like how he was already introduced in part one








For anyone who's been following this series for a long time and has the ability to connect the dots, ^ that pretty much proves Black Zetsu's sudden inclusion as a significant figure in the story isn't just an asspull on Kishimoto's part. It's no coincidence that he was there to witness every major battle since Part 1 that the descendants of Indra and Ashura fought against each other. He would always be found observing battles that had absolutely no relation to the Akatsuki's objectives, Naruto vs Sasuke, Itachi vs Sasuke, Madara vs Hashirama.....it all actually adds up now.



Even events such as the destruction of the Uzumaki's whirlpool village, the Uchiha clan massacre, which didn't make any sort of sense before do so clearly right now. After all, it would only be logical that Zetsu orchestrate the demise of both clans after he discovered Madara, since they're both a threat due to their connection to the Sage, and he wouldn't have much use for them. Plus the Uzumaki were known to be proficient at sealing jutsu, and that would be a real threat for Kaguya's eventual resurrection. Another thing is that, Zetsu was shown to to be interested in both Naruto and Sasuke even in their days as genin, long before they were significant on a world level. Being Madara's will did explain some of it, but now that we know he goes way back, and has been observing all the trans-migrants of Indra and Ashura, it makes sense.



Since almost near the beginning of the story, Zetsu was always a confusing character. He had more knowledge than even the higher-ups of the Akatsuki, like Pain/Madara/Obito, always insisted on watching fights, and even said some interesting stuff like this...












Of course there are still a lot of loose ends to be tied here, which kinda explains why the majority of you seem to be pissed with the chapter, but I for one am not disappointed by this Black Zetsu revelation. It explains so much; how Madara survived, why Zetsu was observing nearly every fight in the series, how the Uchiha stone tablet didn't add up with what we knew of the history of the Shinobi, why the Uzumaki were wiped out.....and many other things. This sort of coincides with what we all know about Shounen manga, final villains are usually behind everything since the beginning of time, Aizen-style. Madara was just some kid born in the wrong era who was dreaming big and simply aiming for the good old dream of world domination. Pretty much a brute really. He was kinda underwhelming and lacked the cunning nature and overpowerednesss Zetsu and Kaguya seem to have to be honest.



That's just my thoughts on all of this. I do still wonder just how much of this Kishi even planned out, or if he's just miraculously winging it as he goes along though...
 
  • #135
wow did they really do the "iv been planning this the whole time" crap.Did they just do an aizen....wth man.Ugh this just keeps getting worse.
 
  • #136
yep. its time. dropped



this shit will never end anyways.
 
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