Bleach Chapter 565 Discussion

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  • #10
Kitsu-nee said:


I'm more interested in Ishida (FINALLY), uhm, was the reason that he joined them so he could avenge his mother revealed before? I don't remember it, and I' a bit 'wtf' towards this. Because you know. It's not that strong (or original...) reason to join one side to help them with killing others, you know...

I agree with you that it's not original but at least it's not purely just because he's quincy ( if this was the reason I kicked him in the ass)

But still he should've just sided with shinigami and take a revenge that way. Of course it wouldn't be Ishida as we know him. He's always planning something. ;)
 
  • #11
Awesome. The truth behind the Quincy King. But can anyone guess what power the letter B  stands for? :/
 
  • #12
Not at all impressed by Juha Bach's backstory. Quincies ration d'être sucks donkey balls. Salty Hawaiian Donkey Balls! (which happens to be a real snack). I wish Aizen springs out of jail soon.
 
  • #13
i feel i could have done without this chapter. it just felt like a shameless delay tactic. they have already established the villain and his motives, the fact that he can live so long is besides the point.
 
  • #14
Itoukaiji said:
So Kubo actually did it and just admitted his stupid, overpowered, broke as fuck villain was god. This is was so dumb, but just in case anyone had a small amount of respect left for Bach then we also learn that deep down a part of his soul is the idiotic luchador.



I don't even know what's is dumber, this chapter or the last one. The last one managed to spit all over Bleach lore with Renji powering up because someone told him the name of his zanpakuto, rather than learning the name being a sign of respect between him and his zanpakuto, but this chapter was almost baffling in its desire to make Bach the most broken villain yet.



Well they're both horrible, but this chapter is a good example of the horrible things that happens when Kubo actually tries to provide answers to things.



no offense but this what an uneducated person makes of the current chapter.



let's take a look at the chapter in an educated way-



We can say that Yhwach has some blue and orange morality given that people will still follow him even if he kills them for no reason.



The concept Kubo is using here is a misture of Buddhism and Christianism twisted by 1984 Estasian facism.



He took from Buddhism the circle of death and reincarnation and personified it in someone who gives power (karma) to the living and who regains that power (karma) in an increased fashion when they die. Furthermore, in his basic state of complete disconnection from the world, Yhwach is essencially an enlighted being above the realms of the world.



In Christianity he borrowed the theme of the Quincies and the concept of a messianic figure of divine origin who can do miracles to those who follow him, that and the fact that by believing and following him you can attain some form of salvation and afterlife as part of a greater being.



The subversion of the above came by mixing both good ideologies with a dystopian theme of cult to death, essencially an extremist form of facist devotion when ones life only has any meaning as a tool for his leader and dying in any way that serves him would be considered an honor. Bear in mind that such ideology never came to exist outside of Orwellian literature as the closest real life thing we had were Imperial Japanese fanatics who would commit mass murder and mass suicide in the name of their country and emperor but their honor was devoted to protect their homeland and way of life instead of worshiping death as servitude.



THE ABOVE ANALYSIS IS NOT MINE. THE CREDIT ENTIRELY GOES TO-

Black Mask
 
  • #15
I don't like this overpowering, but maybe Kubo's planning on pitting him against the Soul King. That might make sense, although how is Ichigo going to save the day against a guy like this?
 
  • #16
LivingLife1994 said:
So what I have gathered from this chapter is that Juha Bach is a god and the Sternritters are basically his angels. I guess this chapter kind of filled in some plot holes with Bleach like the fact why Ichigo has a manifestation of Juha Bach in his soul, but opened up new ones. All I can really say is to just wait for more chapters and hope for more backstory, but people are calling Juha Bach broken, are you kidding? If you read Naruto, you can not tell me that Madara isn't ridiculously broken.

Plotholes like this one:

He absorbed for few years the souls of a lot of (impure) Quincies. But now, after he said he gave even the Shinigamis parts of his soul, he still doesnt take their souls now like before, although he said several times, that he hates fighting and wars. Thats doesnt make any sense.
 
  • #17
Wow, here I expected another shitty random fight and I was pleasantly surprised. Not the most original backstory, and why the heck did he look like Tsukishima when he was a kid, but that doesn't matter much.



I'm more interested in Ishida (FINALLY), uhm, was the reason that he joined them so he could avenge his mother revealed before? I don't remember it, and I' a bit 'wtf' towards this. Because you know. It's not that strong (or original...) reason to join one side to help them with killing others, you know...
 
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