Bleach Chapter 535 Discussion

lol dude all ur doing is grasping at straws. but whatever believe what you want.

we will all find out the truth eventually, probably in the next chapter or 2

IS it possible that the bodies hanging in Szyales's lab, the ones Mayuri wanted that Uryu saw, could have been other hollowifed Quincy's that Aizen could have tried after Masaki was infected? Just curious to see if it was at all plausable.

its getting clearer now...hahaha

amenboy972 said:
kizu-kun said:
basically there are 4 types of energies(hollow,human,quincy,shinigami). When a soul hollowfies you need balance it out by fusing all 4 energies together. When the visards hollowfied kisuke balanced them out using a vaccine made from human and quincy energy. in order to balance out misaki they need to infuse her with human and shinigami energy. In misaki's case she wont be able to controll her inner hollow so instead of a vaccine they are going to put isshin in a special gigai made from humans souls and kisuke is going to stich their souls together in order to keep her soul balanced.



I don't agree with you, you mixed how to stop the soul suicide and how to stop the hollowification.

the energies from the reiatsu of quincy, the reiatsu of human soul, the reiatsu of shinigami and the reiatsu of hollow have to be mixed to stop the soul suicide but it doesn't recreate the balance inside the souls. Kisuke said he could stop the soul suicide himself, but he needs Isshin to recreate the balance inside Masaki.

The Vizards stopped their soul suicide but they didn't stop their hollowification, they learnt to control it and use it as I said earlier



To stop the hollowification the spiritual link between the Masaki's soul and the hollow inside her created from Isshin's reiatsu in the special gigaï is necessary. To recreate the balance Masaki's soul is fed by the special gigaï and the hollow is fed by the powers of shinigami. It's basically the same thing isn't it? In both cases she needs a dose of human/shinigami energy. Its just that in order to stop her from hollowfying she needs a permanent dosage.

Scheherazade1007 said:
j0x said:
this chapter also confirms on how Isshin lost his Shinigami powers once a upon a time, from reading again this chapter its almost saying that Isshin have become a human until Masaki dies, i hope this flashback continues until they show how Masaki died because Masaki is confirmed to be a Vaizard too so she is suppose to be more powerful  than ever



But didn't he said that Isshin would act as a kind of 'balance' so that Masaki can have a normal life? I doubt Masaki will have much power at all because of Isshin limiting it.



i see, im gonna read again this chapter when MangaStream version is up



EDIT:



im wrong Masaki although she undergo Hollowfication does not mean she is a Vaizard since a Vaizard is the Hollowfication of Shinigamis, while Hollowfication of Quincies do not have a name yet since Masaki is the first

astrozombie84 said:
lol yea dude ur totz right. i mean lets ignore the fact that ichigo has lived with isshin his entire life, and the fact that Masaki and Isshin are totz in love with each other. oh and the fact that ichigo looks just like kaien shiba (isshin's relative)



lets go with ur theory that juha is the father simply because he looks like zangetsu and because he said ichigo was his son born in darkness even tho that was not meant to be taken literally. yeah dude ur so right juha is the father no doubt in my mind



/sarcasm



oh and BTW ichigo has soul reaper powers. juha isnt a soulreaper neither is masaki.

so if isshin isnt the father which he obviously is how would ichigo have his own soul reaper powers. the answer is he wouldn't he would be a full blooded quincy

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't believe in that ridiculous theory :"Juha Bach looks like Zangetsu". Juha Bach said in the chapter 514, that he is Ichigo's father and it's enough for me.

And to say Ichigo is Isshin's son because he looks like Kaïen Shiba is ridiculous as well.

The last chapter explains clearly how Ichigo got Isshin's powers. Then Isshin doesn't need to be Ichigo's father to make the manga consistent .



Wannabiteme said:


+Aizen once said "You are son of shinigami and..." [and Quincy (we know that now)]. Take into account that we have know that Aizen is 'smart guy'. He knows most of things. He said that he have been watching Ichigo from his birth.

-Bach said: "You are my son born in the darkness"





I think Juha Bach was a shinigami. he know about the beginning of the goteï 13 and the division zero (chapter 511).



Wannabiteme said:


+ he can do bankai & shikai that resemble Ishin's bankai(name)



We never saw Isshin's bankaï and we know how Ichigo got his powers of shinigami.

kizu-kun said:
basically there are 4 types of energies(hollow,human,quincy,shinigami). When a soul hollowfies you need balance it out by fusing all 4 energies together. When the visards hollowfied kisuke balanced them out using a vaccine made from human and quincy energy. in order to balance out misaki they need to infuse her with human and shinigami energy. In misaki's case she wont be able to controll her inner hollow so instead of a vaccine they are going to put isshin in a special gigai made from humans souls and kisuke is going to stich their souls together in order to keep her soul balanced.



I don't agree with you, you mixed how to stop the soul suicide and how to stop the hollowification.

the energies from the reiatsu of quincy, the reiatsu of human soul, the reiatsu of shinigami and the reiatsu of hollow have to be mixed to stop the soul suicide but it doesn't recreate the balance inside the souls. Kisuke said he could stop the soul suicide himself, but he needs Isshin to recreate the balance inside Masaki.

The Vizards stopped their soul suicide but they didn't stop their hollowification, they learnt to control it and use it as I said earlier



To stop the hollowification the spiritual link between the Masaki's soul and the hollow inside her created from Isshin's reiatsu in the special gigaï is necessary. To recreate the balance Masaki's soul is fed by the special gigaï and the hollow is fed by the powers of shinigami.

Hades-kun said:
-MgZ_ said:
Maybe we can just drop the Juha Bach - Ichigo relationship? This chapter confirmed that Isshin is Ichigo's dad. Stop it before it gets more ridiculous.



I wonder if Urahara will be successful though. Cuz Masaki died, maybe his theory weren't enough?



There is no reason to drop the relationship, because we still don't know who are the parents of Misaki. So there is a great chance that Juha Bach is grandfather of Ichigo.



More like (Great) Grandfather. Juha is as old as Yamamoto probably or near that. Juha Bach is not Ichigo father. He is his ancestor from Ichigo mother side. OLD Ancestor.

Ichigo was completely unaware that his mother was Quincy and that he inherited some of that power. That is what Juha meant saying "born in darkness".



Next time Ichigo is facing Juha Bach we will learn more about him and the whole Quincy thing. Isshin probably doesn't have all the answers :>



I want to know who was the dead shinigami used to create Whitey. Hope we get that info sometime soon.