Bleach Chapter 519 Discussion
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- #27
Oh, and the Spirit King's face kinda reminds me of Butterfly Aizen. lol.
- #28
Although i agree with both what i initially suggested and also the flaws that are found by the many participants in discussion, I feel that the actual reason will be something rather absurd.
Han-yuu said:
If his memories were not altered then pretending not to know about Zero Squad would get him even more trouble. And if they were altered and he manage to remember or discover the truth. Still the question is there. If he had some kind of conflict in royal palace and demoted to normal shinigami. Why no one knew about him? At-least Yamamoto should have been informed because the reason they even need to alter his memories after demotion is obvious that he was a threat or can become a threat at some point. Yet Royal Palace totally ignored him after that and then what he done to SS is the whole reason Soi-fon was yelling in last chapter. This theory maybe make Aizen more genius if done right BUT on the other side. That will make Soul King, Zero Squad and SS top brass a bunch of stupids. Who ignored him for so long despite knowing everything about him and got bitten because of their own ignorance. And if you make his relationship with soul king like father/son/sibling that would make it even more ridiculous because they ignored someone who's so close to his majesty.
Sadly, all these posts are going to disappear because of this ridiculous delay in backup restoring
Maybe it's possible that the royal guard felt their methods of memory removal were flawless and as such felt no need to prewarn the soul society? Or it might not have been because they felt he was a threat, maybe it was just an expulsion from the royal guard for radical thinking? We don't fully know how different the royal guard is to the soul society and as such there could be different laws/rules. A shinigami having ideas that are opposed to the current system are not known the punishment for, although we do know that Kyouraku and Ukitake both opposed the system in the soul society to help Ichigo and Yamamoto said they needed punishing for their actions. If a similar opposition to the rules was had in the royal guard maybe they just deem it necessary to "demote" members down to the soul society to live normal lives, if nothing is said to anybody about them then they in turn live normal lives unable to influence any officers.
- #29
Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...
In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.
Whoa, that really could be good. I, too, though that the Spirit King looked like Aizen in one of his form.
I liked this chapter, some new information + something taken from the begining of the manga (I like stuff like that). Too many onsen jokes though.
Ah, and the cover with Orihime-chan was GORGEOUS.
- #30
Missinglucky said:
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.
Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...
In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.
Good theory but not going to happen... because
He obviously had no idea what the hell are royal guards and there is a position above central 46 unless you're telling me he found about his past and relationship later when he visit royal palace. Which is even more unlikely because he was already vice-captain that time and no idea about his own history and if you bring in more chemistry like they altered his memories and later he remembered or found out about everything. That will look stupid in my opinion because he was threat from the beginning even if he lost his memories. Why SS or Yamamoto was completely oblivious about him until he kicked out few captains and vice-captains out of soul society and later killed all central 46 and make fool out of them completely. Also i don't expect Kubo would go so deep down to prove Aizen had a very good reason to attack Soul King with that scenario.
I see this being probably the only, however very large flaw in my theory. Although it should be said that Fai has pointed out that Aizen did manage to stay in cover as a standard shinigami for 100's of years, it might not be so hard for him to cover up the fact he knows his past and what has previously happened. Maybe also, this is probably me being presumptuous, but you'd think that officers of the soul society would know about the soul king and squad zero?
- #31
Since 3 "dead" fullbringers ended up in Soul Society where is Riruka? Would She be able to power up Ishida from the inside (she entered inside Rukia) with her upgraded Fullbring?
- #33
As much as you people think that Soul King looks like Aizen butterfly form I get the feeling that he is closer to Quincy Vollstanding form. Can Soul King be related to Bach?
Since 3 "dead" fullbringers ended up in Soul Society where is Riruka? Would She be able to power up Ishida from the inside (she entered inside Rukia) with her upgraded Fullbring?
Riruka is not dead, so she is not in SS, so I guess the alive fullbringers would play the part if the battlefield would shift to Karakura Town(we are supposed to learn the importance of that town this arc too)
As for SK, it depends on what species he is and on if there are any actual citizens in royal realms and what species they are. For all we know, The Royal Realm is the realm of the fabled "Magic hunters" from whom Quincies learned their techniques, which would make Quincies either Nephilim or Grigori.
It all depends on what we learn about Soul King and yet again we are lacking crucial pieces of the puzzle to speculate accurately.
Han-yuu said:
Missinglucky said:
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.
Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...
In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.
Good theory but not going to happen... because
He obviously had no idea what the hell are royal guards and there is a position above central 46 unless you're telling me he found about his past and relationship later when he visit royal palace. Which is even more unlikely because he was already vice-captain that time and no idea about his own history and if you bring in more chemistry like they altered his memories and later he remembered or found out about everything. That will look stupid in my opinion because he was threat from the beginning even if he lost his memories. Why SS or Yamamoto was completely oblivious about him until he kicked out few captains and vice-captains out of soul society and later killed all central 46 and make fool out of them completely. Also i don't expect Kubo would go so deep down to prove Aizen had a very good reason to attack Soul King with that scenario.
Yes, because Aizen, the master of mindfuck, could nto pretend he has no idea who 0Th squad is as part of his cover.
His reaction to the 0Th Squad mention could be interpreted in many ways and Aizen, the genius he was, pretty much played it in-character to "rookie-nerdy-glasses-guy" he played.