Bleach Chapter 519 Discussion
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- #2
This also pretty much means that Ichigo IS the royal key - it makes sense - Ichigo displayed a capability to break out of out-of-dimension imprisonments more than once and Aizen was clearly guiding Ichigo to become stronger for him, so Aizen could enter that place. He just did not expect Ichigo to get this strong.
So anyone still doubts that Soul King is evil? The guy looks sinister as fuck, like something out of final battle of final fantasy. Especially since Ichigo is not yet allowed to see him.
Prepare for pre-Golden Week mindfuck people. The whole "facade" of Royal Guards is about to be torn away, i feel.
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- #3
That's actually really interesting though... So that other hot spring is like a spring of blood? and after they get rid of all of Byakuya's blood he'll throw him in it to heal him? That's pretty interesting. I'm actually kind of glad they elaborated on the hot spring more. I always wondered what kind of hot spring healed wounds. Cool to see how big of a role Urahara must have played in the soul society. He even has relations with Zero Squad and even managed to create a replica of the hot spring. An intelligent lax, badass he is.
- #4
Han-yuu said:
Missinglucky said:
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.
Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...
In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.
Good theory but not going to happen... because
He obviously had no idea what the hell are royal guards and there is a position above central 46 unless you're telling me he found about his past and relationship later when he visit royal palace. Which is even more unlikely because he was already vice-captain that time and no idea about his own history and if you bring in more chemistry like they altered his memories and later he remembered or found out about everything. That will look stupid in my opinion because he was threat from the beginning even if he lost his memories. Why SS or Yamamoto was completely oblivious about him until he kicked out few captains and vice-captains out of soul society and later killed all central 46 and make fool out of them completely. Also i don't expect Kubo would go so deep down to prove Aizen had a very good reason to attack Soul King with that scenario.
Yes, because Aizen, the master of mindfuck, could nto pretend he has no idea who 0Th squad is as part of his cover.
His reaction to the 0Th Squad mention could be interpreted in many ways and Aizen, the genius he was, pretty much played it in-character to "rookie-nerdy-glasses-guy" he played.
Would you mind to shed some light on it. What would he gain for pretending he don't know anything about zero squad? It's not like there was any doubt about him being a nerdy-looking-good-guy. Also he was not part of the conversation where he had to pretend like that.
Missinglucky said:
I see this being probably the only, however very large flaw in my theory. Although it should be said that Fai has pointed out that Aizen did manage to stay in cover as a standard shinigami for 100's of years, it might not be so hard for him to cover up the fact he knows his past and what has previously happened. Maybe also, this is probably me being presumptuous, but you'd think that officers of the soul society would know about the soul king and squad zero?
If his memories were not altered then pretending not to know about Zero Squad would get him even more trouble. And if they were altered and he manage to remember or discover the truth. Still the question is there. If he had some kind of conflict in royal palace and demoted to normal shinigami. Why no one knew about him? At-least Yamamoto should have been informed because the reason they even need to alter his memories after demotion is obvious that he was a threat or can become a threat at some point. Yet Royal Palace totally ignored him after that and then what he done to SS is the whole reason Soi-fon was yelling in last chapter. This theory maybe make Aizen more genius if done right BUT on the other side. That will make Soul King, Zero Squad and SS top brass a bunch of stupids. Who ignored him for so long despite knowing everything about him and got bitten because of their own ignorance. And if you make his relationship with soul king like father/son/sibling that would make it even more ridiculous because they ignored someone who's so close to his majesty.
Sadly, all these posts are going to disappear because of this ridiculous delay in backup restoring
- #5
Yes that is true, this idea does have some flaws in it. Maybe the reading up wasn't on how to make the key but maybe how to perfect a body to hold sufficient amount of reaitsu. If he was a citizen on one of the floating islands, then what makes them citizens different from the others? maybe they possibly are relatives of the king but they're too far down the blood line to be meaningful?...sure, the people on the floating towns could all be very distant relatives of the Spirit King. But they could still be normal humans with a little more power than the average citizen of Soul Society. Aizen was strong, but he wasn't much different from the other shinigami in soul society, not until he got hold of the Hogyoku. And the Hogyoku was created by Urahara, another piece of evidence that Urahara got closer to the Spirit king than Aizen ever did.
Aizen is just a little bit special. There could be a dark memory or betrayal in his past related to the Spirit King... something that made him take the path he took. But the way he talked about the Spirit King in the end, it didn't sound like he was talking about something he would consider a relative.
Meanwhile, the zero squad talk about him as if he was the "incarnation of evil"... that's not how a soldier would talk about a former prince, it's more like how a religious fanatic would talk about a former believer who pointed his sword against their God.
- #6
Missinglucky said:
Yes that is true, this idea does have some flaws in it. Maybe the reading up wasn't on how to make the key but maybe how to perfect a body to hold sufficient amount of reaitsu. If he was a citizen on one of the floating islands, then what makes them citizens different from the others? maybe they possibly are relatives of the king but they're too far down the blood line to be meaningful?...sure, the people on the floating towns could all be very distant relatives of the Spirit King. But they could still be normal humans with a little more power than the average citizen of Soul Society. Aizen was strong, but he wasn't much different from the other shinigami in soul society, not until he got hold of the Hogyoku. And the Hogyoku was created by Urahara, another piece of evidence that Urahara got closer to the Spirit king than Aizen ever did.
Aizen is just a little bit special. There could be a dark memory or betrayal in his past related to the Spirit King... something that made him take the path he took. But the way he talked about the Spirit King in the end, it didn't sound like he was talking about something he would consider a relative.
Meanwhile, the zero squad talk about him as if he was the "incarnation of evil"... that's not how a soldier would talk about a former prince, it's more like how a religious fanatic would talk about a former believer who pointed his sword against their God.
Yh I understand, at the minute though it is all conspiracy but the only thing that can certainly be said is that the royal guard/soul king/urahara/aizen all have some sort of connection even without bringing in anybody else.
- #7
Soul King= God-sent Shogun?
I am getting more of the feeling that Soul King is either:
1) Some Cosmic Force/Eldritch Abomination possessing that body
2) Some kind of extraterrestrial creature that only looks barely human.
3) Some kind of "force" that merelly creates/borrows human body so those "lowlifes" can comprehend him.
Either way he seems to be a transcendental level or above.
as well as a small hint about Urahara having in the past visited the Palace.
Well frankly this was speculated since Aizen conversation, but I guess this pretty much confirms it.
- #8
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.
Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...
In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.
This could work, especially considering the whole Deicide Arc had some very clear parallels of Aizen compared to Lucifer.
I guess it depends on whether is "Paradise Lost" Lucifer, or traditional "evil" one.
- #9
The thing about Butterflizen is probably related to the Hogyouku, which is related to Urahara, who supposedly was in the Spirit Realm, which raises a lot of more questions, though I think we're getting closer for some more answers.
@Han-yuu
I'm not really fond of that theory, but Aizen was born powerful, which raises more questions about how and where he came from.
- #11
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Looked and looked and could not find Chapter 519 Discussion. o_o
What happen to it? :O
Anyways, about the chapter..
Loved it!!!
'Dat ass. =w=
I was so distracted by Ichigo's ass, I didn't even notice Rukia there. LMAO XD
Can't get over kubo actually putting Rukia in with everyone else. XD
Ichigo blush, so cute. X3
Finally, the soul king. >:O
Looked and looked and could not find Chapter 519 Discussion. o_o
What happen to it? :O
Anyways, about the chapter..
Loved it!!!
'Dat ass. =w=
I was so distracted by Ichigo's ass, I didn't even notice Rukia there. LMAO XD
Can't get over kubo actually putting Rukia in with everyone else. XD
Ichigo blush, so cute. X3
Finally, the soul king. >:O
