Bleach Chapter 518 Discussion

wintercrush said:
Fai said:
Hmm, if Isshin is the "uncle" it might seem that Isshin might not approve of Ichigo going to royal palace.





As far as the family tree goes, I think Isshin is Ganju's and Kukkaku's uncle. Which would make Kaein Shiba, Ichigo's cousin. That could explain why they are so alike in looks and somewhat in personality. But this theory is still so convoluted due to Juha Bach being introduced.



I agree with the Voile_Grace, Kubo needs to post a family tree ._.



If Juha meant "Son" in metaphorical sense(as in all quincies are his "children") that makes sense - Juha would be Ichigo's grandpa from Masaki's side.



Jouten said:
Fai said:


I am not sure that works that way with people who are already sort-of spiritual beings. We'll have to wait and see I guess, but this is certainly intriguing.



Even if they were sort of spiritual, they still are humans. I'm guessing it would work the same for Chad and Orihime as well. It only makes sense that their souls move onto the soul society.



There are problems with that, because.



1. Those who go to SS after death usually have everything about them reset.

2. That would mean that they would not have the same clothes and be in rukongai-standard rags.

3. They would not have the memories.

4. They would not have their powers(which they clearly do since Tsukishima has his sword)



Not to mention that:

1. Ginjou was already a shinigami.

2. Killing them and letting them run loose in SS would be counter-productive.

FoxFace2013 said:
Candor said:
Rather than bringing back dead character it's more like he's bringing back people which death weren't sure.



You're obviously missing something here, one of the basics of the world of Bleach. What happens when a human dies in the real world? All 3 of these guys are humans, and they with no doubt died (Why the hell would Ichigo go to retrieve Ginjou's body then?), and they went to SS after dying, it's as simple as that. There might a bit more to it than that especially since Ginjou is a substitute shinigami, but the other 2 obviously died and went to SS.

so even when youre killed by Zanpakutō (sword that kills a soul) you still can 'go to SS'? its ridiculous. Kubo is missing something here.



@KuroNoKenshi it sounds good, but the part about Juha having child and then another child is quite awkward. maybe it would sound better (actually not any better. but its about Bleach so probably i would accept it) if Masaki simply was one of the Uryuu family?

I'm so hoping that the King would be a badass like Yamamato was.

FoxFace2013 said:
For the Gin bit ok yes Aizen is god tier but of all the major characters hit Gin is the only one who died. Ichigo recovered just fine, Isshin recovered, Urrhara didn't seem to take any damage, even the vizards who jumped in lived (except for that one forgot what her name was) yet Gin gets a one hit kill shot it simply doesn't make sense. The others were around they could have attempted to heal his wounds or at least hold him till Unohana or orihime could work on him i mean they were able to heal everyone else right? So again I see no reason why Gin died rather pointlessly yet characters like NEl, Grimmjow, those 3 chicks that can summon their big beasty all lived yet bring nothing to the story and have had any really no impact since we last saw them.That's because the Aizen who killed Gin is different from the Aizen that attacked everyone else, even Hallibel. Aizen was just a "captain" using his shikai that controls the 5 sense when he attacked everybody, he powered up when he faced Isshin, Urahara and Yoruichi. When he attacked Gin he was, well, a damn butterfly, an overpowered butterfly brought back from the dead.



Why Kubo is gathering all those characters again, I'm wondering that too, I guess we'll see about that later.

That was very good chapter and Ganju and his comrades was badass looking.

Interesting chapter. Glad to see Shuu-chan is still in action.

Ragix said:
Fai said:
Jouten said:




We know Ginjou died though, so unless some other plothax thing was used to bring him back from the dead, I think he just ended up in Soul Society.

Which Is why I am restraining myself from any sort of speculation of how they are there.



Others make sense because of the ambiguity of how they died(Time guy never really used his power in his full form, Tsukishima was ambiguous end enough). There are suspicions and all with Ichigo retrieving Ginjou's body, so I guess all that is possible is to wait and see on what kind of explanation it is.



I think we are missing something though. If I recall Ginjou was in the body the whole time throughout the whole arc. If it were a gegai wouldn't he have to get out of it to use all his powers and such? Although same goes for how he uses his Shinigami powers + Fullbring so it kind of confuses me more.



The only thing I can really say is that they said "Ichigo was not the first" and that Ginjou was the first substitute shinigami, so maybe they were alike in more ways then one? Speculating of course, help me out here with anything I missed.Ginjou is a human, he used his powers while he's still in his human form , he never had any Gigai. He was probably able to use his bankai and shinigami powers in his human form because he had a FB, same thing with Ichigo, I don't remember Ichigo going out of his body while fighting Ginjou.

I have no idea what is going on anymore.  



However, I DO know that I absolutely cannot stand the Zero Squad, and I DO know that the possibility of seeing Grimmjow again is a GOOD thing.