Bleach Chapter 463 Discussion

  • #58
Arashi89 said:
Hypno-girl said:


What topic? Saying that bleach is retarded without pointing out anything?

I've been open for discussion for the last dozens of threads yet nobody discuss and they satisfy themselve by flaming the thread with baseless comments.

I am not against people hating it, i'm against people not explaining their opinion and thus not discussing.

A 'Omg hitsugaya is so hawt' or a 'bleach is so goooodd' is worth as nothing as a 'bleach suck' in my book.



I've been labelled as a 'fanboy' because I think a little more than your usual hatter. Bleach get a 6 max from me and it probably won't buldge, it's just that I can't stand people saying baseless things especially since most of the time there's nothing to actually support their thought.



Oh, because you discussed so much about Bleach in this thread, right? Pointless complaints are just what Bleach is about, isn't it?



We don't care about what you think about us or about the fanbase of your favourite manga. If you want to flame so bad, then create a blog and whine about how nobody understands you. We are trying discuss about Bleach, not about some guy we can't stand.



Stop please, for your own good just stop.



I put most of my post in spoiler, you can just skip it and read the tl;dr version but I wouldn't recommend it.


"Oh, because you discussed so much about Bleach in this thread, right?"

->I did in every chapter I was in ever since  you probably subscribed to this website but when you are the only one that is actually doing it you ought to ask people to stay on track. Calling me offtrack when I actually beared with people's shit for years is being hypocrite.

Also before you start saying things like "omg, she's an hypocrite, she say that we can't say that bleach suck and deem our post as shit because we don't like bleach" That aint the case.

The reason I say most people's post are shit is because they provide statement without giving any explanation. That also apply to your usual bleach fanboy that come there just to say how hitsu was bishie.



"Pointless complaints are just what Bleach is about, isn't it?"

->I got nothing against complaint, it's actually the opposite. People need to understand that you need to post argument to support your claim, you just can't throw anything without backing it up. THAT'S what I'm reproaching some people. Idc if they like bleach or not, if they aren't ready to provide argument then I do not even know what the fuck they are doing in a discussion thread.



"We don't care about what you think about us or about the fanbase of your favourite manga."

->If you don't care about people why are you even discussing on an internet forum? Also for a list of my favorite you can look up yourself on my profile.



" If you want to flame so bad, then create a blog and whine about how nobody understands you."

->I'll be interested in how you got there or are you just throwing random bullshit because you don't know actually what to say?

It is a discussion thread, it is meant to discuss. A bunch of people agreeing to the same thing is not a discussion. A bunch of people bashing bleach is not a discussion. A bunch of people discussing a bunch of random thing is a discussion and hence is more apropriate than the two former even if it should still be done somewhere else. If you do not want to discuss and say what you did not liked this chapter without saying why you didn't liked it then open a blog because that isn't the place there.



These day you can't argue over anything without it being called a flamewar, if you are that much against people having different opinion than you will have a very secluded life.



"We are trying discuss about Bleach, not about some guy we can't stand."

->That's the major problem: You aren't trying to discuss about Bleach. By 'you' I mean the group of people that usually post there and not you in particuliar.

Bleach thread are usually full of people state things randomly about Bleach, some say it's good and some say it's awefull but neither of them actually provide argument and neither of them are actually open to debate.



It's me or Fai that create the discussion most of the time, if we weren't there to discuss the bleach threads would barelly have anyone that post more than once.



Also you look mad.





Tl;dr: Discussion =/= agreement.

Idc about a group of kids liking of bashing bleach, what I care about is why. If you can't provide why you aren't seeking discussion but agreement. In this case gtfo because it is a discussion thread, not an agreement one.

 
  • #59
Oooww god.. Byakuya vs Tsukishima ! Couldn't be more good :D
 
  • #60
Avalie said:
@hypno-girl



People usually state what they hate about the chapter and scram. They aren't going to waste any more time to argue with people who just don't see why Bleach is bad. Especially not when they have expressed often very valid reasons elsewhere. People like me aren't going to repeat myself over and over and defend my opinion across forums. That's only for people who really, really do not have anything to do.



Do you know how long have I been reading Bleach? TEN YEARS. I'm fairly certain that most people who dislike it now have read and invested beyond 5 or 6 years of Bleach. It was part of my teenagehood for a long time personally and I have invested heavily in it because I loved it dearly. I owned most volumes in 3 languages that I read: Chinese, Japanese and English because it was fun to imagine those voices in my head via those characters - indeed I genuinely loved Bleach. However, Kubo is not infallible. It's disturbing just how many people think he is flawless. His story is not without potholes; he himself admitted in interviews that he does not plan far ahead in the future when it comes to his story - this is obviously telling us we should not take everything he writes to contain some grand scheme of a plot. Most times they do not make sense - truly I'm annoyed when I see things like, "read it, understand it" because had a reader REALLY, TRULY read Bleach and UNDERSTAND it, they will see that Kubo:

- contradicts himself OFTEN

- writes characters that are inconsistent (Ichigo anyone.)

- does not flesh out his characters' growth (18 months after a timeskip, Ichigo is still whiny, Orihime is still whiny, Rukia is boring, the other shinigamis have become 2D. Due to lack of inner conversations within oneself, lack of conflict or lack of resolution)

- rehash stale ideas

- reuse old scenarios that worked 4 years ago but failed to see that said scenario may not work now



All of those above require extensive examples from various chapters that people like me have had problems with. I'm not going to do that one by one for you - if you really want to know, you would seek information on your own instead of remaining indignant on this forum. Furthermore, I may feel strongly about this manga this week, but tomorrow is another working day and no one, simply no one, is going to defend themselves over and over with some relatively new fans who are so in love with Bleach and refuse to listen to reason. There are other better mangas and happier posts to make. People usually grow weary from arguing and resort to one-liners such as, "Bleach sucks". It's short, precise, and sweet. No accountability needed because no one cares.  



If you really want to know elaborately more why Bleach is bad, you don't have to seek direct answers from specific people on MAL. Because not everyone is going to return to this thread to see if anyone responded to their snarks. I just happened to swan by a second time in this thread this week. I usually don't do this. You can go on Google and venture out there and read many essays out there. Now I read Bleach for the sake of seeing how bad Kubo is doing - it doesn't take me 3 minutes to read a chapter, and it doesn't take me 3 minutes to state that I either like it or that I do not like it. But to spend 30 minutes defending my opinion? Why bother? I'm doing this now because specifically, you do not seem to understand it.



If you like Bleach so much, then by all means, just like it. Why hop around getting mad because people don't like it? I don't stress myself over why other people LIKE Bleach when I don't anymore. If I say something critical or negative about Bleach, I'm merely attacking the issue - the manga - not you. So why so serious anyways? I don't have to offer a reason everytime I make a post - is this academia? You gonna give me a grade or something? I am perfectly capable of doing so, but why waste my time every.single.time?



Bottom line, most people who criticised Bleach now used to care about Bleach and loved it dearly. They are disappointed NOT because Kubo didn't give them what they want, but they are disappointed because they have grown BORED with Kubo's repetitive style of bland writing, they are disappointed with his seemingly disinterest in utilising the 902132 characters that he already owns on his plate, they are disappointed that he openly admitted that he does not plan far ahead into the future where his story is concerned - it shows a lack of seriousness in his work (so why should we be serious when he isn't?), he admitted that he writes things ON THE FLY - not implying, but STATING and CONFIRMING that he writes whatever he thinks is cool AT THE MOMENT. According to him, if things don't blend together right now, he will take his time (years, usually) hopping from lotus pads to lotus pads until he finds something which loosely connects the dots to his overall story.



So attacking us? Is just not cool, when we're just attacking THE STORY, NOT YOU.



OH WOW WILL YOU MARRY ME!!!



Ok, I jest, that was just perhaps the most amazing post I have EVER seen on a forum.  



I just lower my expectations for manga that aren't good, it makes them more enjoyable, so I have given up on pointing out the wrongs with each chapter, because it's a much shorter list to tell what I found right.



Fact: Bleach is bad.

Fact: I choose to enjoy it.



And there's nothing more to this controversy.



If people are badmouthing Bleach at chapter 463, those same people probably read the 462 earlier chapters, so they must at least at different levels like(d) the series.  Let loverz hate.
 
  • #62
Arashi89 said:
At least, it's supposed to be a comedy, right?

Oh riight. Same things aren't happening over and over again. It's all parody, ooh, now I get it.
 
  • #63
What I'm interested is a fight between Byakuya and Shukuro.



Even Kenpachi demanded Byakuya to switch opponent with him because he seems strong and I think so too.



I also wished Shukuro's power up from Ichigo's Fullbring, that way he might become suitable opponent against Byakuya's Bankai. And one last thing is additional and stronger abilities of his Book of the End.



I'm looking forward to that chapter.
 
  • #64
Boring chapter... i wanna see whats gonna happend to the girl.. it didnt seem like she wanted the power at all, so will she be an ally or a foe?
 
  • #65
bskbob said:
one hit ko best way to end a useless fight^^



Except that:

1) kenpachi is fighting someone with power over time.

2) its the end stab in shonen genre manga. they do 0 actual damage.



AceIII said:
Im gonna laugh so hard if king Bradley is still alive and we get another troll no jutsu from Kubo in the next chapter.

what I said above.  The guy had ability to manipulate and erase time before. he most likely rewinds itself and goes lol. Seriously do people who read this manga even READ it? With the ability to manifest their abilities outside their realms all fbs are quite a reality warpers right now,  which fits a very theme bleach had, since most of powers involved reality alteration in some way so far and the stronger the power the stronger the effects were. Soul King most likely can shape anything in reality as he wants, going by current power types, since FB ability to manipulate souls of objects sounds very similar to how SK is connected to everything in the universe..

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anyway, intense chapter.

- This brings up interesting points on Tsukishima's and Ginjou's relationship.

- fucking awesome art full of badass shading and actual new fighting panels.

- I don't see Tsukishima loosing there. Others are up in the air, but tsukishima still has huge secrets out there as well as ginjou.

- Ichigo seems a lot more serious in the calm-anger kind of way. Its obvious why he held back against other FBs since they did not intentionally hurt him. I doubt he would do the same with Tsuki or Ginjou.

- SS also are not a pussies, fighting with clear intent to kill. And I still think that they did not tell Ichigo the whole story, as it was conveniently interrupted.



4/5
 
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