Gintama Chapter 593 Discussion

Chalo08 said:
reireinatto said:
Basically this chapter was all about Utsuro's past and how he turned into Shouyo and vice versa which is really interesting



Utsuro went through a countless of torture or death in the past until he began to resist or wanting to change which is why he created "Yoshida Shouyo". The reason why he saved Gintoki is because he could relate to him (both were called as monsters when they were young). And so he keeps resisting Utsuro inside himself and live as Yoshida Shouyo. However in the end, he got captured and beheaded by Gintoki or Utsuro himself. The clones you see in this chapter was just part of the imagery of his past deaths.



I hope this could be somewhat accurate based on the Korean scans I've read



Thnx for summing that up. It is an interesting chapter. So utsuro created this double personality aka shouyo as a means to escape his past.

And that scene with him as a child, so he was born immortal like kouka then?



Not really. Throughout his years being killed over and over (this is before 500 years ago. When he was in the cellar) he started creating multiple personalities. Not just one. As he was a Naraku during those 500 years one of the personalities (Shoyo) started suppressing the other personalities until he was the only one left (other than the original ofc). And thus he lived as Shoyo until the time came where he was gonna be killed by Gin. The Original Utsuro was in control after that. But yes He was born immortal tho

reireinatto said:
Basically this chapter was all about Utsuro's past and how he turned into Shouyo and vice versa which is really interesting



Utsuro went through a countless of torture or death in the past until he began to resist or wanting to change which is why he created "Yoshida Shouyo". The reason why he saved Gintoki is because he could relate to him (both were called as monsters when they were young). And so he keeps resisting Utsuro inside himself and live as Yoshida Shouyo. However in the end, he got captured and beheaded by Gintoki or Utsuro himself. The clones you see in this chapter was just part of the imagery of his past deaths.



I hope this could be somewhat accurate based on the Korean scans I've read



Thnx for summing that up. It is an interesting chapter. So utsuro created this double personality aka shouyo as a means to escape his past.

And that scene with him as a child, so he was born immortal like kouka then?

Barion-Zara said:
Chalo08 said:
reireinatto said:
Basically this chapter was all about Utsuro's past and how he turned into Shouyo and vice versa which is really interesting



Utsuro went through a countless of torture or death in the past until he began to resist or wanting to change which is why he created "Yoshida Shouyo". The reason why he saved Gintoki is because he could relate to him (both were called as monsters when they were young). And so he keeps resisting Utsuro inside himself and live as Yoshida Shouyo. However in the end, he got captured and beheaded by Gintoki or Utsuro himself. The clones you see in this chapter was just part of the imagery of his past deaths.



I hope this could be somewhat accurate based on the Korean scans I've read



Thnx for summing that up. It is an interesting chapter. So utsuro created this double personality aka shouyo as a means to escape his past.

And that scene with him as a child, so he was born immortal like kouka then?



Not really. Throughout his years being killed over and over (this is before 500 years ago. When he was in the cellar) he started creating multiple personalities. Not just one. As he was a Naraku during those 500 years one of the personalities (Shoyo) started suppressing the other personalities until he was the only one left (other than the original ofc). And thus he lived as Shoyo until the time came where he was gonna be killed by Gin. The Original Utsuro was in control after that. But yes He was born immortal tho



Now that I re-read it again through the English version, yes it's actually Utsuro have made multiple personalities and Yoshida Shouyo was the last one remaining. The multiple Utsuro in the cellar scene was referring to the personalities, not his past deaths. I must've misread it earlier so I apologize for that.



But still, this chapter left me in awe for the complexity of Utsuro's character. The foreshadowing about Nobume's line about Utsuro was the one who kills Shouyo makes sense now. Sorachi's such a brilliant writer and I cannot wait how's the final battle gonna be like

I don't even know the hell's going on here man.



Most of it seems like flashbacks of his previous lives or whatever, but how does he keep killing himself wtf. Are there really more Utsuros?

I guess this chapter is more weird than confusing. It's really cool how this chapter shows the similarity between Gintoki and Utsuro, as both were known as demons before. So is it possible for the Shouyou personality to come back if he resists the Utsuro personality, or is the Shouyou personality permanently dead?



5/5

Holy shit, I always know Sorachi is a great writer, and now he exceed my expectation again by introducing DID into the picture. I have to say that he handle his characters's psychology aspect extremely well. And I'm always a huge sucker for DID stuff, so this explanation is an instant win for me.

Many shit is happening in the recent chapters, i really think Sorachi-senpai might end it soon. Anyway, im just hoping for a "happy arc" after all this serious shit...

CG-Silver said:
Kuma said:
i found it pretty simple, i don't understand why it's soo hard to understand.. edgy as fuck thou...

Dude if you think this is edgy, then you obviously don't know what real edgy post is. Let me show you some real edgy posts, beware for the skin cuts.



















Okay, you got me at the 3rd picture of Kabaneri. Legit laughed out loud from that.