Gintama Chapter 590 Discussion
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- #3
Ramkec said:
Chalo08 said:
Ramkec said:
Please elaborate to me what do I have to understand about his mommy issues?
Really? His mommy issues? is that all your accusing him of?
Yeah kamui is a moma's boy, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with loving ones parents in such a strong manner? And are we gonna forget that he was just a kid then?
Loving his mom dearly as he did made him weak, we all have our weaknesses, and just because his sister was mentally strong enough to be there for their mother doesn't mean he should too. People are different. Why cant you understand that? Maybe im not explaining it fully but if thats the reason why ur hating this chapter so much then you clearly don't understand the meaning of bonds between family members.
Its not that he loves his parents he's just obsessed with his mom. His reasons to kill Umi and Kagura are just retarded, he's just a little kid stuck in grown up body, a crybaby as Kagura calls him, he hasn't matured a day since then. He's just lucky he's Yato so he was gifted with strength and endurance otherwise with that behavior he'd be dead a long time ago. Umibozu is also at fault you know, as he was the most responsible of the family. Easy for you to judge. I don't really blame Kamui for hating his father for being not enough responsible as the dad (even Umibozu himself had admitted that). There's nothing wrong with him being too overprotective of his mom plus it is weird that she told Kamui she wanted to die, but told Kagura she'd want to go to Earth once she got better. Kamui never hated Kagura and there were moments he hesitated to hit her/or he never wanted to fight her to begin with. Sure, Kagura's not at fault Kamui was beating her up, but it was too painful for him to see his own failures through her as she resembles her with both her looks and voice. Basically Kamui blamed himself and his dad simultaneously for not having been able to save the family, because Umibozu didn't teach Kamui about the strength to protect the family.
P.S. Kamui has finally met his redemption thanks to Kagura, so he is aces. :D
Yeah thank Sorachi he did so we could finally move on to this Oboro greatness.
@railguncat but she didn't want to be saved, she came to Yato planet with Umi at her own will, knowing that she'll die. Maybe all this conflict is indeed Umi's mistake, he should have just talked to Kamui right at start about all of this instead of telling him to get stronger and protect his family when he knew there was no cure for their mom.
- #4
Warrior3 said:
Ramkec said:
Warrior3 said:
Ramkec said:
Chalo08 said:
Ramkec said:
Please elaborate to me what do I have to understand about his mommy issues?
Really? His mommy issues? is that all your accusing him of?
Yeah kamui is a moma's boy, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with loving ones parents in such a strong manner? And are we gonna forget that he was just a kid then?
Loving his mom dearly as he did made him weak, we all have our weaknesses, and just because his sister was mentally strong enough to be there for their mother doesn't mean he should too. People are different. Why cant you understand that? Maybe im not explaining it fully but if thats the reason why ur hating this chapter so much then you clearly don't understand the meaning of bonds between family members.
Its not that he loves his parents he's just obsessed with his mom. His reasons to kill Umi and Kagura are just retarded, he's just a little kid stuck in grown up body, a crybaby as Kagura calls him, he hasn't matured a day since then. He's just lucky he's Yato so he was gifted with strength and endurance otherwise with that behavior he'd be dead a long time ago. Umibozu is also at fault you know, as he was the most responsible of the family. Easy for you to judge. I don't really blame Kamui for hating his father for being not enough responsible as the dad (even Umibozu himself had admitted that). There's nothing wrong with him being too overprotective of his mom plus it is weird that she told Kamui she wanted to die, but told Kagura she'd want to go to Earth once she got better. Kamui never hated Kagura and there were moments he hesitated to hit her/or he never wanted to fight her to begin with. Sure, Kagura's not at fault Kamui was beating her up, but it was too painful for him to see his own failures through her as she resembles her with both her looks and voice. Basically Kamui blamed himself and his dad simultaneously for not having been able to save the family, because Umibozu didn't teach Kamui about the strength to protect the family.
P.S. Kamui has finally met his redemption thanks to Kagura, so he is aces. :D
Yeah thank Sorachi he did so we could finally move on to this Oboro greatness.
@railguncat but she didn't want to be saved, she came to Yato planet with Umi at her own will, knowing that she'll die. Maybe all this conflict is indeed Umi's mistake, he should have just talked to Kamui right at start about all of this instead of telling him to get stronger and protect his family when he knew there was no cure for their mom. on one hand Kouka wanted to die, but i don't blame Kamui for not having wanted her to, since he loved her so much (let's admit, she was indeed so beautiful, sweet and innocent lol), wanted to save her at any cost (there's nothing wrong with that) but it seemed that Kouka didn't really care about how her kids would feel when the time of her demise was gonna come. And all those death scenes of her were so painful to watch.
Funny that Umibozu knew she wouldn't have lived long after abandoning her own planet and that she could live only by staying in her altana world.
That is true, I agree there. In fact both parents seemed pretty selfish in this case.
It's nobody's fault. The problem was kamui couldn't accept that everyone has a weakness, no matter how strong you were. For Umibouzu it was kouka, and for kouka it was her family, Thats why umi frequently left his family to look for kouka's altana even when he knew she couldn't be saved, and Kouka was willing to die so she could be with her family. For Kamui this whole thing boiled down to the fact that family is a weakness. ("the one that's hurting mother is no other than us family"). Both Umi and Kouka weren't at fault for what happened to our sweet Yato prince. Being a dad might not be in Umi's nature but he was a decent father and nothing he did was wrong. Kamui just didn’t understand that without weakness thered be no need for strength, which was why Umi told him to get stronger and protect his family. But then again he was only 8.
Kamui's a difficult character and his backstory is so complex, that's why a lot of people find it boring cos they couldn't understand it. His backstory is deffo my fav because unlike all other gintama characters that started alone and got saved by a mentor (lucky huh?) he's the only one who started with a happy family and ended up alone.
- #6
Ramkec said:
Chalo08 said:
Ramkec said:
Please elaborate to me what do I have to understand about his mommy issues?
Really? His mommy issues? is that all your accusing him of?
Yeah kamui is a moma's boy, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with loving ones parents in such a strong manner? And are we gonna forget that he was just a kid then?
Loving his mom dearly as he did made him weak, we all have our weaknesses, and just because his sister was mentally strong enough to be there for their mother doesn't mean he should too. People are different. Why cant you understand that? Maybe im not explaining it fully but if thats the reason why ur hating this chapter so much then you clearly don't understand the meaning of bonds between family members.
Its not that he loves his parents he's just obsessed with his mom. His reasons to kill Umi and Kagura are just retarded, he's just a little kid stuck in grown up body, a crybaby as Kagura calls him, he hasn't matured a day since then. He's just lucky he's Yato so he was gifted with strength and endurance otherwise with that behavior he'd be dead a long time ago. Umibozu is also at fault you know, as he was the most responsible of the family. Easy for you to judge. I don't really blame Kamui for hating his father for being not enough responsible as the dad (even Umibozu himself had admitted that). There's nothing wrong with him being too overprotective of his mom plus it is weird that she told Kamui she wanted to die, but told Kagura she'd want to go to Earth once she got better. Kamui never hated Kagura and there were moments he hesitated to hit her/or he never wanted to fight her to begin with. Sure, Kagura's not at fault Kamui was beating her up, but it was too painful for him to see his own failures through her as she resembles her with both her looks and voice. Basically Kamui blamed himself and his dad simultaneously for not having been able to save the family, because Umibozu didn't teach Kamui about the strength to protect the family.
P.S. Kamui has finally met his redemption thanks to Kagura, so he is aces. :D
Couldn't have said it better myself. :)
There is fault in both kamui and umibozu alike, its complicated, families are complicated, thats what gintama is trying to teach us here. Not everything is rainbows and sunshine. You cant hate kamui and not look at the whole situation he was put it. @warrior. You explained it best
- #7
Please elaborate to me what do I have to understand about his mommy issues?
Really? His mommy issues? is that all your accusing him of?
Yeah kamui is a moma's boy, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with loving ones parents in such a strong manner? And are we gonna forget that he was just a kid then?
Loving his mom dearly as he did made him weak, we all have our weaknesses, and just because his sister was mentally strong enough to be there for their mother doesn't mean he should too. People are different. Why cant you understand that? Maybe im not explaining it fully but if thats the reason why ur hating this chapter so much then you clearly don't understand the meaning of bonds between family members.
- #9
In present he takes on Takasugi 1v1 and looks like he takes him down by stabbing him right in the head with that dagger but he also suffered a neck cut. I'm guessing he'll survive due to immortality unless his head got cut off.
Great chapter much better then some of Kamui bullshit.
- #10
Takasugi da GOAT stating he's gonna pay back with interest made me mark out, but I absolutely lost it with the panel of Oboro standing atop the broken house. That dialogue between them was excellent. Liked the touch Sorachi put in there, with Oboro's speech bubble of removing Utsuro's obstacles, on the panel with Takasugi telling the Kiheitai to leave, removing his own obstacles.
The backstory was both sublime & depressing; Utsuro's further characterisation was delightful, but it's damn saddening knowing Oboro could've been sempai to those three, especially with that sombre expression on the final page.
Relieved to see there's no blood on Takasugi's end, so it's just a question of whether or not Utsuro's blood will run out, and seeing as the blade pierced the jugular, it's probably gonna happen.
Top ten chapter of this arc, easily.
- #11
Warrior3 said:
treedude said:
Warrior3 said:
Ramkec said:
Finally more backstory about Oboro, how he was saved and taken into Naraku by Utsuro, and how he trained under him, he was so cute.
In present he takes on Takasugi 1v1 and looks like he takes him down by stabbing him right in the head with that dagger but he also suffered a neck cut. I'm guessing he'll survive due to immortality unless his head got cut off.
Great chapter much better then some of Kamui bullshit. pfft to each their own. Kamui's moments were one of the best foor me and his backstory along with his family was executed greatly. Personally I never cared about Oboro/Utsuro/Takasugi boringness.
Takasugi falling mkes me laugh lol how many times in a row..
This chapter was amazing. I don't understand how you could consider this boring.
Best chapter in a while along with the last chapter. idk, personally i see this chapter the same as many other chapters. The only thing worries about me in this chapter is Sadaharu and Umibozu and how they'll get out of this. lol
I don't get it. We had confirmation that Utsuro became Shouyo after meeting Oboro, that the school was named after the way Oboro and Shouyou met under the pine tree, Takasugi knew that Utsuro was alive but Shouyou is dead. The awesome fight with Oboro's creative moves. The art was phenomenal this chapter. Oboro's backstory was suitably traumatising. 10/10 chapter in my opinion. well, Oboro is a tank, but not as much as the Yato tribe lol
- #12
Chalo08 said:
Ramkec said:
Please elaborate to me what do I have to understand about his mommy issues?
Really? His mommy issues? is that all your accusing him of?
Yeah kamui is a moma's boy, whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with loving ones parents in such a strong manner? And are we gonna forget that he was just a kid then?
Loving his mom dearly as he did made him weak, we all have our weaknesses, and just because his sister was mentally strong enough to be there for their mother doesn't mean he should too. People are different. Why cant you understand that? Maybe im not explaining it fully but if thats the reason why ur hating this chapter so much then you clearly don't understand the meaning of bonds between family members.
Its not that he loves his parents he's just obsessed with his mom. His reasons to kill Umi and Kagura are just retarded, he's just a little kid stuck in grown up body, a crybaby as Kagura calls him, he hasn't matured a day since then. He's just lucky he's Yato so he was gifted with strength and endurance otherwise with that behavior he'd be dead a long time ago. Umibozu is also at fault you know, as he was the most responsible of the family. Easy for you to judge. I don't really blame Kamui for hating his father for being not enough responsible as the dad (even Umibozu himself had admitted that). There's nothing wrong with him being too overprotective of his mom plus it is weird that she told Kamui she wanted to die, but told Kagura she'd want to go to Earth once she got better. Kamui never hated Kagura and there were moments he hesitated to hit her/or he never wanted to fight her to begin with. Sure, Kagura's not at fault Kamui was beating her up, but it was too painful for him to see his own failures through her as she resembles her with both her looks and voice. Basically Kamui blamed himself and his dad simultaneously for not having been able to save the family, because Umibozu didn't teach Kamui about the strength to protect the family.
P.S. Kamui has finally met his redemption thanks to Kagura, so he is aces. :D
- #13
I mean seriously, we get planetary travel, huge world building and setup, some great comedy (bansai's finger lasers XD), tons of characters backstorys, kaguras entire family story, tons of fights everywhere including the long awaited gintoki vs kamui battle and jouei 4 team up, and now we are getting takasugi vs oboro and shoko sonjiku's origins!!! Can you get any more hype!?
In short, whiners, stop bitching, gorilla is perfect and a better writer than you'll ever be. 5/5 chapter.