Gintama Chapter 584 Discussion

ziggy_Z said:
HiatusXHiatus said:
ziggy_Z said:
plus Gintoki is much stronger than he was when he fought Housen.How do you know? I can't remember Gintoki training to become stronger, as far as I know he was only lazing around, maybe you can give me some proof.Because during his final fight with Nizou, his ability was coming back to him since he was idle for around a decade. Every fight afterwards (even for that fight) he would lose the first round and win the second, meaning his ability would continue to reach his prime the second time he fights when his body gets used to the person he's fighting (since it was always a stronger opponent). The only major person he fought once was his strongest opponent, Housen, so his ability was still capable of increasing, considering that it was only less than halfway into the series.



Furthermore, it's a Shonen trope that the MC (or characters in general) get stronger the more they experience, and even though Gintoki didn't practice, he still got training in the form of occasionally fighting strong opponents.  



Therefore, the Gintoki right now, has achieved his prime strength (technically, by Shogun Assassination he did, because Takasugi was portrayed as strong as Kamui in Odds & Evens, just as Katsura was to his fellow disciples when he "shed his coward skin").





Awwwww, after reading Gintama you havent underwstood anything yet?



Training? Power up? get stronger? these words are taboo in Gintama. Go learn your leason by Ginpachi sensei. Stand in the hallway.

Haven't been enjoying Gintama much lately but Shinpachi's tsukkomi made me smile.

Chalo08 said:
I guess gintoki doesn't want to c kagura hurt anymore, so he's taking full responsibility even when he shouldn't. It was kagura's fight but it's obvious she's still not up to her brother's level yet...physically wise.

I dont like how gintoki seems to b the "solution " to this family "problem ", it totally downgrades the entire yato family making kagura and umi look like totall failures.

Gintoki's letting kamui to let go of all that bottled up anger hes been stewing himself in for almost a decade. Once thats out he can reform.

Im getting tired of sll the kamui drama: its been dragged out and it's hurting his character (haters out there) not to mention his popularity so i hope by next chapter or two its done. :/ Kamui will eventually reform, so that he wouldn't "fall apart" in the upcoming Gintama character poll (on May if i ain't wrong) LOL

I don't want Gin v Kamui, I want Kagura v Kamui :(



Gintama has been a bit too typically Jump-like lately or maybe that's just me.

When Gintoki talked abaout the yorozuya i caught myself sulking. I miss the random Gintama. After SA arc Gintama is not the same.



I like it, it had to get serious, but sometimes i miss it. All the laughs. The Yorozuya trio.



And da FAK, where is MADAO? i need him

That headbutt might be to wake him up, idk. At least we do get some Kamui vs. Gintoki

What a chapter...the part with Gintoki headbutting Umibouzu was just LOL, especially the way Shinpachi insulted him xD

HiatusXHiatus said:
ziggy_Z said:
plus Gintoki is much stronger than he was when he fought Housen.How do you know? I can't remember Gintoki training to become stronger, as far as I know he was only lazing around, maybe you can give me some proof.Because during his final fight with Nizou, his ability was coming back to him since he was idle for around a decade. Every fight afterwards (even for that fight) he would lose the first round and win the second, meaning his ability would continue to reach his prime the second time he fights when his body gets used to the person he's fighting (since it was always a stronger opponent). The only major person he fought once was his strongest opponent, Housen, so his ability was still capable of increasing, considering that it was only less than halfway into the series.



Furthermore, it's a Shonen trope that the MC (or characters in general) get stronger the more they experience, and even though Gintoki didn't practice, he still got training in the form of occasionally fighting strong opponents.  



Therefore, the Gintoki right now, has achieved his prime strength (technically, by Shogun Assassination he did, because Takasugi was portrayed as strong as Kamui in Odds & Evens, just as Katsura was to his fellow disciples when he "shed his coward skin").