chaliceoftears said:
railguncat said:
chaliceoftears said:
Kamui didn't get defeated by Okita, neither Umibozu, nor Housen. He stood on equal ground with all of them, and if I remember correctly, by the end of their battle Okita was on the ground while Kamui easily stood (and pulled out that piece of metal stuck in his gut like it was nothing). He dealt considerable damage to Umibozu before their fight was interrupted.
Feel free to disagree with me on that but seriously, Kagura's power up is just plain ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I do like it. I always like strong female characters. But in the Shogun Assassination arc, she could barely harm him. Kamui pretty much crushed her. Now she's suddenly on par with him? Are you kidding me? This goes beyond the boundary of what I would expect from Gintama. It's Fairy Tail-level power-up bullshit showing up in the most ridiculously shounen way possible.
Meh, I called Umibozu's death flag since he showed up in this arc. This chapter was pretty average despite the fact that Kamui got a lot of scenes which is always welcome. Anyway I really WOULD like to see a fight where he actually goes on with it will the very end.
I can see where your complaint's coming from, but Kagura has always been up there with Kamui. The reason she couldn't measure up to him in SA was because she fought out of her instinct, just like in her fight with Abuto before she was awaken, and the fight during that arc wasn't based on anything personal, she just wanted to stop Kamui from destroying the country. Her clash with him in the current chapter is initiated by a dire situation involving people that she cares about, and it could be that she IS using her Yato instinct, (she went on her Yato mode when Shinpachi was being impaled by Abuto so it makes sense that it happens again this time), which should explain how she manages to fight Kamui on equal ground. Seeing how calm she is throughout the fight shows that she is in control of herself, and here's where the complain should've come; how and when did she learn to fight under control with her instinct. While it is not clear how this "power up" happened, it's not "plain ridiculous" as you claimed either. She'd been through a lot since the SA arc and had been on her own since she left for Rakuyou so who knows how much meditation she's done during the 15 chapters she was absent.
It only takes a little imagination to put 2 and 2 together, but I guess it is easier to call bullshit on something.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think you're wrong. For one, we know thta there is nothing more precious to Kagura than her family. In the Shogun Assassination arc, Kagura was, in fact, trying to protect the country. But why? It was because her family was there. Kamui would've killed anyone who stood in his way (or tried to) and she knew this. Those people included Gintoki, Shinpachi etc. For her, the siuation there wasn't any less dire than the situation now.
In this arc, Kagura goes to there with the intention of fighting him to stop him and save him from himself. That said, it's even less likely that she's fighting with her Yato blood because that's how Kamui is fighting, and that's what she's trying to stop. She's clearly not giving in to any of her instincts. The closest explanation for this that I can think of is that she had a bit of training? But what kind of training would it take for her to suddenly be able to fight to her full potential? I'm not saying it's impossible for her to do so, to be able to stand up to Kamui, it's the circumancstance (I'm typing in a hurry so I probably spelled that wrong) that don't add up.
Of course the situation then wasn't as serious as both her own father and brother trying to kill each other. Yes in the SA arc she was fighting for the country to protect her family and her "birthplace", but Kamui hadn't done enough damage to provoke her. The closest he was to hurting people that she cared about was when he shot a bullet at Soyo, but even this was unbeknownst to her during their fight. His involvement in the SA plot wasn't grounded by any personal target, so he wasnt as destructive and threatening to Kagura as he is in this current arc, where his goal is as clear as a pikestaff.
I also don't think Kagura needs any training to stand up equally to Kamui because as we've seen in Yoshiwara arc, the skills are in her instinct. That's why I still believe that she could be fighting with her Yato blood, only this time she's strong enough to not lose herself. This time she's fighting to protect instead of fighting to kill like the Yato nature commands. Fighting with her Yato blood doesn't mean giving in to her instinct. Umibouzu fights with his blood all the time for work and he didn't lose himself the way Kamui did. It's like Bang-bang said above, Kagura's struggle lies in her state of mind and not her innate power, and this she may have finally overcome.
