Claymore Chapter 152 Discussion
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- #12
I feel that this current Teresa is beastly than the Teresa who got killed even though at that time she didn't reveal her full power. o.o Anyways, I feel that there will be a sufficient amount of anti-climax where Teresa will disappear when she is about to deliver the death blow to her nemesis and Clare with the other Claymores will be the one to finish Priscilla off..
- #13
Now, the questions' whether this series will end after this arc and well, whether Teresa or Clare or some other claymore will deal the final, decisive blow.
- #14
OnePieceQ8 said:
Major_Awesome said:
OnePieceQ8 said:
Major_Awesome said:
OnePieceQ8 said:
Monad said:
Priscilla is stronger than an abyssal by far but it was never stated that Teresa was such a monster. Being the strongest single warrior doesn't mean she's that far off. I thought Teresa was close to an abyssal level not as crazy strong as she appears now.
This is one of the most misguiding chapters.
First of all Rosemary was given number one after the death of Hysteria, which means it was most likely given to her because of this. But the only reason why Rosemary killed her was because Teresa had dealt a blow that dulled Hysteria movements. http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/125/15/
I think the the Organization realized this and then just gave Teresa the #1 set without them even having to fight as Rosemary says. http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/73.1/15/
So given this and with Hysteria saying that Rosemary was only a #4 and the fact that she was awakened when she fought Teresa means that she was most likely not abyssal. I would hardly think that the Organization would miss the awakening of a new abyssal. Rosemary awakened form isn't even that large like the others; the only exception we seen so far was Hysteria herself but that because she sacrificed everything for speed.
"Most likely", "I think" ≠ confirmation or proof.. it's just speculation..
Plus, it doesn't matter what's her first rank.. Roxanne was a #35, wasn't she? yet, she's an abyssal.
once a "#1" awaken -> he/she will become an Abyssal one.
in Rosemary case she awakened as a former #1 but only #2 to Teresa!
putting Teresa aside, makes Rosemary #1.. she is an Abyssal class.
Also the organization didn't know about Rosemary's awakening..
Conclusion: Rosemary = Abyssal class , Teresa 10% > Abyssal one.
Actually you can say it 'WAS' because Rosemary killed Hysteria that she was given the number 1 set. After Hysteria Massacre a bunch of the Warriors and the fact that there were heaps of bodies piled up with only being 47 Warriors at a time means that there wasn't that many left. And with Rosemary killing Hysteria without the Organization's men knowing that Teresa was the one that gave the blow for this to happen, she would have been given the #1 set. The fact they just gave Teresa the #1 set after means that they found this out after Dae inspected the bodies, so there was no time for Rosemary to become a true #1.
http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/110/15/
As Rito said: "you were the one who inspected all of their corpses"
Not only that but becoming a #1 isn't an easy thing. The reason why Roxanne got to the #1 set was because she was crazy as hell and this kind of mental state makes them strong, like Priscilla. Rosemary was never said to have any traits like this, nor did they say there was anything special. It took Clare and Miria 7 years to get to a #2 rating, so unless it took 7+ years for Dae to inspect Hysteria's body...
Rosemary ≠ Abyssal.
Part1: first paragraph..
I totally see what you're telling me.. but even if we "assumed" that Rosemary became #1 because she killed "injured" Hysteria.. (even tho there's no proof to this statement as a reason..)
i will say Roxanne killed "injured" Cassandra.. didn't Roxanne become a true #1 after that? same goes to Rosemary's case, but put Teresa aside since she's not ordinary Claymore.. She's above any #1 !
Part2: for ch.110 page 15 (link you posted) go back 1 page.. here:
"The number ones who died without awakening are.. (and they named few of the names)"
then Rito's: "you were the one who inspected all of their corpses"
all of their corpses -> the number ones who died without awakening.
Rosemary isn't one of them she's a "Former" #1 & she died as a #2 to Teresa + she awakened before her death & the orgenization doesn't know about that.. plus,
we know Teresa slaughtered her to piece :p even dae wouldn't bother to inspect her pieces XD
Part3: last paragraph..
Roxanne is crazy that's a given point :p but she became #1 because of her "scheme"..
1. she let Cassandra's friend die..
2. *the panel up there*
3. taunted Cassandra..
4. Cassandra went berserk & took +100 hits...
5. Roxanne dealt the finishing hit..
Rosemary doesn't need any traits.. being a former #1 & a #2 to "Teresa" makes her abyssal class.
Their is a difference between Rosemary and Roxanne, and that being, after Roxanne killed Cassandra we don't know how long Roxanne was a Warrior for afterword. Now sure you can say the same for Rosemary, but why else would they just give Teresa the number 1 spot? She's #1 in an era where there are few Warriors left and no notable event that would require Teresa to reveal her true power. Not only that but if you look at Rosemary's awakened form it doesn't look abyssal. The only true notable #1 that was second to Teresa was Irene. Because of the fact that Irene's Quick sword is still above Clare's. And the fact that Clare's Quick sword beat Rafaela who had similar power to Luciela.
Can you say that it wasn't because of Rosemary killing Hysteria because she was injured, without going into speculation? You would be making assumptions about how long after the fight with Hysteria and the fight between Teresa killed Rosemary took place.
I never said anything about Rosemary's corpse... I was talking about Hysteria and she NEVER awakened.
Just because someone is #2 to Teresa does make them an abyssal immediately. As I said: there was a large amount of Warriors dead at the time, so you can't assume that she was abyssal just because Teresa was OP. The fact that she got knocked out of #1, without even so much as a fight, points to that. Not only that but even Irene and the others didn't judge Teresa's power correctly and they have history, meaning Teresa never really reveal the fact that she was that strong.
The only other notable experience that Teresa may have revealed that she was this strong was in with the fight with Hysteria, so that just points back to the fact that Rosemary doesn't have the time to become this strong.
Part1: first paragraph.. you asked: "but why else would they just give Teresa the number 1 spot?"
Teresa answered that with a straight forward answer.. here:
She's #1 not only to this generation but also to all the previous & future ones.. she's that OP.. she's a special case any no.1 will become no.2 behind Teresa.. this is a fact! Rosemary was the one here + she's a "Former" no.1 (doesn't matter for how long, like Roxanne we don't know..!) .. but it's not like she's always been behind Teresa as no.2 like Irene -for example-.
Part2: you said: "Can you say that it wasn't because of Rosemary killing Hysteria because she was injured, without going into speculation? You would be making assumptions about how long after the fight with Hysteria and the fight between Teresa killed Rosemary took place."
No, we don't need speculation here.. we know what happend between them briefly..
Rosemary became a no.1 at some point.. doesn't matter what's the reason or how or how long!
(again, Roxanne best example that all these speculations/assumptions doesn't matter!)
Part3: for Hysteria's corpse.. my bad but 2 comments up there @ponygon123 replied to this point.
ponygon123 said:
I do not believe that Dae could tell it was Teresa who struck Hysteria that took away her speed. Dae can not tell that because all the blades are the same and Teresa does not have a signature sword strike that would make it obvious that Teresa did it. And we do not know the time that passed between that encounter at all.
Part4: you said: "Just because someone is #2 to Teresa doesn't make them an abyssal immediately."
I agree, best example: Irene.. but Rosemary is not just a no.2 to Teresa, she's also a "Former" no.1.. being a "Former" no.1 & no.2 to Teresa, that's what makes her Abyssal class.
Part 5: "As I said: there was a large amount of Warriors dead at the time, so you can't assume that she was abyssal just because Teresa was OP. The fact that she got knocked out of #1, without even so much as a fight, points to that. Not only that but even Irene and the others didn't judge Teresa's power correctly and they have history,meaning Teresa never really reveal the fact that she was that strong."
I can.. because Rosemary was no.1 for a period of time not just because Teresa is OP.. any no.1 will be knocked out of the spot if Teresa was in their generation because she's that strong even without releasing any yoki, she's stronger than anyone..
we still don't know how strong she is after the 10%.. and she used it 3 times only (twice against Priscilla and once against Rosemary -this once tells us alot-)..
It was fun discussion.. but i said all i have.. & i don't want us to go through the same loop :p
Me: Rosemary = Abyssal.
You: Rosemary ≠ Abyssal.
- #15
keragamming said:
Major_Awesome said:
Teresa is too OP, I would have liked if Priscilla's power was at half when Raki and Clare destroyed her main body so that this fight would be a bit more feasible.
Nah, Priscilla is the one that's too OP. She needs to die asap!
And if Teresa beats around that OP Priscilla, what does that make Teresa?
I agree, it's not normal for Teresa to be this strong. Why did we had abyssalls?
Why didn't the organization just sent Teresa to kill them all if she is so much stronger?
Priscilla is stronger than an abyssal by far but it was never stated that Teresa was such a monster. Being the strongest single warrior doesn't mean she's that far off. I thought Teresa was close to an abyssal level not as crazy strong as she appears now.
