Claymore Chapter 152 Discussion
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Major_Awesome said:
OnePieceQ8 said:
Major_Awesome said:
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Major_Awesome said:
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Monad said:
Priscilla is stronger than an abyssal by far but it was never stated that Teresa was such a monster. Being the strongest single warrior doesn't mean she's that far off. I thought Teresa was close to an abyssal level not as crazy strong as she appears now.
This is one of the most misguiding chapters.
First of all Rosemary was given number one after the death of Hysteria, which means it was most likely given to her because of this. But the only reason why Rosemary killed her was because Teresa had dealt a blow that dulled Hysteria movements. http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/125/15/
I think the the Organization realized this and then just gave Teresa the #1 set without them even having to fight as Rosemary says. http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/73.1/15/
So given this and with Hysteria saying that Rosemary was only a #4 and the fact that she was awakened when she fought Teresa means that she was most likely not abyssal. I would hardly think that the Organization would miss the awakening of a new abyssal. Rosemary awakened form isn't even that large like the others; the only exception we seen so far was Hysteria herself but that because she sacrificed everything for speed.
"Most likely", "I think" ≠ confirmation or proof.. it's just speculation..
Plus, it doesn't matter what's her first rank.. Roxanne was a #35, wasn't she? yet, she's an abyssal.
once a "#1" awaken -> he/she will become an Abyssal one.
in Rosemary case she awakened as a former #1 but only #2 to Teresa!
putting Teresa aside, makes Rosemary #1.. she is an Abyssal class.
Also the organization didn't know about Rosemary's awakening..
Conclusion: Rosemary = Abyssal class , Teresa 10% > Abyssal one.
Actually you can say it 'WAS' because Rosemary killed Hysteria that she was given the number 1 set. After Hysteria Massacre a bunch of the Warriors and the fact that there were heaps of bodies piled up with only being 47 Warriors at a time means that there wasn't that many left. And with Rosemary killing Hysteria without the Organization's men knowing that Teresa was the one that gave the blow for this to happen, she would have been given the #1 set. The fact they just gave Teresa the #1 set after means that they found this out after Dae inspected the bodies, so there was no time for Rosemary to become a true #1.
http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/110/15/
As Rito said: "you were the one who inspected all of their corpses"
Not only that but becoming a #1 isn't an easy thing. The reason why Roxanne got to the #1 set was because she was crazy as hell and this kind of mental state makes them strong, like Priscilla. Rosemary was never said to have any traits like this, nor did they say there was anything special. It took Clare and Miria 7 years to get to a #2 rating, so unless it took 7+ years for Dae to inspect Hysteria's body...
Rosemary ≠ Abyssal.
Part1: first paragraph..
I totally see what you're telling me.. but even if we "assumed" that Rosemary became #1 because she killed "injured" Hysteria.. (even tho there's no proof to this statement as a reason..)
i will say Roxanne killed "injured" Cassandra.. didn't Roxanne become a true #1 after that? same goes to Rosemary's case, but put Teresa aside since she's not ordinary Claymore.. She's above any #1 !
Part2: for ch.110 page 15 (link you posted) go back 1 page.. here:
"The number ones who died without awakening are.. (and they named few of the names)"
then Rito's: "you were the one who inspected all of their corpses"
all of their corpses -> the number ones who died without awakening.
Rosemary isn't one of them she's a "Former" #1 & she died as a #2 to Teresa + she awakened before her death & the orgenization doesn't know about that.. plus,
we know Teresa slaughtered her to piece :p even dae wouldn't bother to inspect her pieces XD
Part3: last paragraph..
Roxanne is crazy that's a given point :p but she became #1 because of her "scheme"..
1. she let Cassandra's friend die..
2. *the panel up there*
3. taunted Cassandra..
4. Cassandra went berserk & took +100 hits...
5. Roxanne dealt the finishing hit..
Rosemary doesn't need any traits.. being a former #1 & a #2 to "Teresa" makes her abyssal class.
Their is a difference between Rosemary and Roxanne, and that being, after Roxanne killed Cassandra we don't know how long Roxanne was a Warrior for afterword. Now sure you can say the same for Rosemary, but why else would they just give Teresa the number 1 spot? She's #1 in an era where there are few Warriors left and no notable event that would require Teresa to reveal her true power. Not only that but if you look at Rosemary's awakened form it doesn't look abyssal. The only true notable #1 that was second to Teresa was Irene. Because of the fact that Irene's Quick sword is still above Clare's. And the fact that Clare's Quick sword beat Rafaela who had similar power to Luciela.
Can you say that it wasn't because of Rosemary killing Hysteria because she was injured, without going into speculation? You would be making assumptions about how long after the fight with Hysteria and the fight between Teresa killed Rosemary took place.
I never said anything about Rosemary's corpse... I was talking about Hysteria and she NEVER awakened.
Just because someone is #2 to Teresa does make them an abyssal immediately. As I said: there was a large amount of Warriors dead at the time, so you can't assume that she was abyssal just because Teresa was OP. The fact that she got knocked out of #1, without even so much as a fight, points to that. Not only that but even Irene and the others didn't judge Teresa's power correctly and they have history, meaning Teresa never really reveal the fact that she was that strong.
The only other notable experience that Teresa may have revealed that she was this strong was in with the fight with Hysteria, so that just points back to the fact that Rosemary doesn't have the time to become this strong.
Part1: first paragraph.. you asked: "but why else would they just give Teresa the number 1 spot?"
Teresa answered that with a straight forward answer.. here:
She's #1 not only to this generation but also to all the previous & future ones.. she's that OP.. she's a special case any no.1 will become no.2 behind Teresa.. this is a fact! Rosemary was the one here + she's a "Former" no.1 (doesn't matter for how long, like Roxanne we don't know..!) .. but it's not like she's always been behind Teresa as no.2 like Irene -for example-.
Part2: you said: "Can you say that it wasn't because of Rosemary killing Hysteria because she was injured, without going into speculation? You would be making assumptions about how long after the fight with Hysteria and the fight between Teresa killed Rosemary took place."
No, we don't need speculation here.. we know what happend between them briefly..
Rosemary became a no.1 at some point.. doesn't matter what's the reason or how or how long!
(again, Roxanne best example that all these speculations/assumptions doesn't matter!)
Part3: for Hysteria's corpse.. my bad but 2 comments up there @ponygon123 replied to this point.
ponygon123 said:
I do not believe that Dae could tell it was Teresa who struck Hysteria that took away her speed. Dae can not tell that because all the blades are the same and Teresa does not have a signature sword strike that would make it obvious that Teresa did it. And we do not know the time that passed between that encounter at all.
Part4: you said: "Just because someone is #2 to Teresa doesn't make them an abyssal immediately."
I agree, best example: Irene.. but Rosemary is not just a no.2 to Teresa, she's also a "Former" no.1.. being a "Former" no.1 & no.2 to Teresa, that's what makes her Abyssal class.
Part 5: "As I said: there was a large amount of Warriors dead at the time, so you can't assume that she was abyssal just because Teresa was OP. The fact that she got knocked out of #1, without even so much as a fight, points to that. Not only that but even Irene and the others didn't judge Teresa's power correctly and they have history,meaning Teresa never really reveal the fact that she was that strong."
I can.. because Rosemary was no.1 for a period of time not just because Teresa is OP.. any no.1 will be knocked out of the spot if Teresa was in their generation because she's that strong even without releasing any yoki, she's stronger than anyone..
we still don't know how strong she is after the 10%.. and she used it 3 times only (twice against Priscilla and once against Rosemary -this once tells us alot-)..
It was fun discussion.. but i said all i have.. & i don't want us to go through the same loop :p
Me: Rosemary = Abyssal.
You: Rosemary ≠ Abyssal.
First of all: "It was fun discussion... but I said all I have wanted to...[/s] & I don't want us to go through the same loop. :p"
But yet you put in unnecessary things like ".." at the end of your sentences like you're criticizing. (It should be "..." by the way.) You point out a typing mistake that wasn't necessary to do as well. Do you really expect someone to not reply if you're being disrespectful? It's like your trying to keep this going.
I would have let this go if you hadn't just done what you did and I would have accepted: "Me: Rosemary = Abyssal. You: Rosemary ≠ Abyssal."
To part 1:
I don't know why you keep repeating "She's #1 not only to this generation but also to all the previous & future ones.. she's that OP.. she's a special case any no.1 will become no.2 behind Teresa.. this is a fact!" We all know that if there was an average #1 she would get moved aside if someone like Teresa came along. But you forget that: like the gap between 5&6 there is another at 1&2 and it's something that isn't easily crossed. And there situation wasn't normal, so just because Rosemary got the #1 set doesn't mean that she automatically became an Abyssal.
"She's #1 not only to this generation but also to all the previous & future ones"
Is a stupid remark and an impossibility, how can you say she is the strongest in all time?
To part 2:
"doesn't matter what's the reason or how or how long"
It does... Let's say Rosemary got the #1 set only because she killed Hysteria and after a few days the Organization finds out "Hey, it was actually because of Teresa that Rosemary killed Hysteria.", so what you're saying is that because she was given the #1 set she automatically became a true #1 after just being a #4.
Roxanne was just a special case not only that but as Renee said "If any of the low ranking soldiers were to have gone up in rank, I'm sure they would be widely spoken about..." Now how many Warrior have done what Roxanne did out of 150+ generations of Warriors? Now we know that the survivors of the north trained for 7 years as Deneve said: "Otherwise what was the point training these last 7 years 'til we puked blood." and yet none of them reached #1 level? Clare being #47 and Miria being number #6 still didn't reach this.
To Part 3:
What Dae would have seen was, besides other wounds that may have been there, is one that killed Hysteria and one that dulled her movements. Now as Ponygon said: "because all the blades are the same and Teresa does not have a signature sword strike that would make it obvious that Teresa did it." This is true, but there were still people there to see this happen and your telling me no one could have said who did what?
To Part 4:
And Rosemary ISN'T Roxanne..! So how do you know she climbed so easily afterword? The men of the Organization named off all the #1's that were above the rest and Roxanne was there, but Rosemary wasn't. So how would Rosemary have done this... Oh that's right "Rosemary became a no.1 at some point.. doesn't matter what's the reason or how or how long!", so YOLO happened.
To Part 5:
"Teresa was in their generation because she's that strong even without releasing any yoki, she's stronger than anyone.."
Not even Irene or Rosemary knew that Teresa was this strong, as they were both surprised when she went to 10%, so why would the Organization just have Rosemary give up her spot like that then without knowing Teresa full might? Give me an answer to this, without saying "she's that OP". How would have the Organization have known she was this strong if she never let anyone see it and so many Warriors getting it wrong? All they should have known, as Orsay said: No matter what Yoma she faces, she slays them without exhausting her Yoma power." This is enough to let someone just ahead of someone with even a fight?
"we still don't know how strong she is after the 10%.. and she used it 3 times only (twice against Priscilla and once against Rosemary -this once tells us alot-).."
We don't know if Teresa even needed to use 10%, she did twist Rosemary's arm off and get away without using 10%, she only said: "I uasually don't do this often... But I feel that if I don't at least once in a while... I'll forget how to"
In the end your right about the loop, and that it was kinda fun getting into such a discussion... - the fact that you're disrespectful.
And in the end there might not be enough information on this to fully concluded if Rosemary was a true Abyssal or not; being there was only one chapter/fight scene and only what Hysteria said.
I'm done with this topic, GG.
- #23
Major_Awesome said:
OnePieceQ8 said:
Major_Awesome said:
OnePieceQ8 said:
Monad said:
Priscilla is stronger than an abyssal by far but it was never stated that Teresa was such a monster. Being the strongest single warrior doesn't mean she's that far off. I thought Teresa was close to an abyssal level not as crazy strong as she appears now.
This is one of the most misguiding chapters.
First of all Rosemary was given number one after the death of Hysteria, which means it was most likely given to her because of this. But the only reason why Rosemary killed her was because Teresa had dealt a blow that dulled Hysteria movements. http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/125/15/
I think the the Organization realized this and then just gave Teresa the #1 set without them even having to fight as Rosemary says. http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/73.1/15/
So given this and with Hysteria saying that Rosemary was only a #4 and the fact that she was awakened when she fought Teresa means that she was most likely not abyssal. I would hardly think that the Organization would miss the awakening of a new abyssal. Rosemary awakened form isn't even that large like the others; the only exception we seen so far was Hysteria herself but that because she sacrificed everything for speed.
"Most likely", "I think" ≠ confirmation or proof.. it's just speculation..
Plus, it doesn't matter what's her first rank.. Roxanne was a #35, wasn't she? yet, she's an abyssal.
once a "#1" awaken -> he/she will become an Abyssal one.
in Rosemary case she awakened as a former #1 but only #2 to Teresa!
putting Teresa aside, makes Rosemary #1.. she is an Abyssal class.
Also the organization didn't know about Rosemary's awakening..
Conclusion: Rosemary = Abyssal class , Teresa 10% > Abyssal one.
Actually you can say it 'WAS' because Rosemary killed Hysteria that she was given the number 1 set. After Hysteria Massacre a bunch of the Warriors and the fact that there were heaps of bodies piled up with only being 47 Warriors at a time means that there wasn't that many left. And with Rosemary killing Hysteria without the Organization's men knowing that Teresa was the one that gave the blow for this to happen, she would have been given the #1 set. The fact they just gave Teresa the #1 set after means that they found this out after Dae inspected the bodies, so there was no time for Rosemary to become a true #1.
http://www.onemanga.me/claymore/110/15/
As Rito said: "you were the one who inspected all of their corpses"
Not only that but becoming a #1 isn't an easy thing. The reason why Roxanne got to the #1 set was because she was crazy as hell and this kind of mental state makes them strong, like Priscilla. Rosemary was never said to have any traits like this, nor did they say there was anything special. It took Clare and Miria 7 years to get to a #2 rating, so unless it took 7+ years for Dae to inspect Hysteria's body...
Rosemary ≠ Abyssal.
Part1: first paragraph..
I totally see what you're telling me.. but even if we "assumed" that Rosemary became #1 because she killed "injured" Hysteria.. (even tho there's no proof to this statement as a reason..)
i will say Roxanne killed "injured" Cassandra.. didn't Roxanne become a true #1 after that? same goes to Rosemary's case, but put Teresa aside since she's not ordinary Claymore.. She's above any #1 !
Part2: for ch.110 page 15 (link you posted) go back 1 page.. here:
"The number ones who died without awakening are.. (and they named few of the names)"
then Rito's: "you were the one who inspected all of their corpses"
all of their corpses -> the number ones who died without awakening.
Rosemary isn't one of them she's a "Former" #1 & she died as a #2 to Teresa + she awakened before her death & the orgenization doesn't know about that.. plus,
we know Teresa slaughtered her to piece :p even dae wouldn't bother to inspect her pieces XD
Part3: last paragraph..
Roxanne is crazy that's a given point :p but she became #1 because of her "scheme"..
1. she let Cassandra's friend die..
2. *the panel up there*
3. taunted Cassandra..
4. Cassandra went berserk & took +100 hits...
5. Roxanne dealt the finishing hit..
Rosemary doesn't need any traits.. being a former #1 & a #2 to "Teresa" makes her abyssal class.
Their is a difference between Rosemary and Roxanne, and that being, after Roxanne killed Cassandra we don't know how long Roxanne was a Warrior for afterword. Now sure you can say the same for Rosemary, but why else would they just give Teresa the number 1 spot? She's #1 in an era where there are few Warriors left and no notable event that would require Teresa to reveal her true power. Not only that but if you look at Rosemary's awakened form it doesn't look abyssal. The only true notable #1 that was second to Teresa was Irene. Because of the fact that Irene's Quick sword is still above Clare's. And the fact that Clare's Quick sword beat Rafaela who had similar power to Luciela.
Can you say that it wasn't because of Rosemary killing Hysteria because she was injured, without going into speculation? You would be making assumptions about how long after the fight with Hysteria and the fight between Teresa killed Rosemary took place.
I never said anything about Rosemary's corpse... I was talking about Hysteria and she NEVER awakened.
Just because someone is #2 to Teresa does make them an abyssal immediately. As I said: there was a large amount of Warriors dead at the time, so you can't assume that she was abyssal just because Teresa was OP. The fact that she got knocked out of #1, without even so much as a fight, points to that. Not only that but even Irene and the others didn't judge Teresa's power correctly and they have history, meaning Teresa never really reveal the fact that she was that strong.
The only other notable experience that Teresa may have revealed that she was this strong was in with the fight with Hysteria, so that just points back to the fact that Rosemary doesn't have the time to become this strong.
- #24
Major_Awesome said:
Teresa is too OP, I would have liked if Priscilla's power was at half when Raki and Clare destroyed her main body so that this fight would be a bit more feasible.
Nah, Priscilla is the one that's too OP. She needs to die asap!
And if Teresa beats around that OP Priscilla, what does that make Teresa?
