Fairy Tail Chapter 499 Discussion
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frostmourn said:
Isterio said:
Given Hiro Mashima´s history with Fairy Tail it´s highly unlikely that Juvia will stay dead. Although the chapter is clearly a reference to Musica and Reina, even down to the panel-work with the link between them, the beautiful page-spread panel with the male crying tears of sorrow to contrast the feelings of the female who willingly gave her life away for her beloved one.
I gave this chapter a 5/5, even if a resurrection happens, which I´m almost certain of, this particular chapter keeps it´s quality.
We received a lot of character development for Juvia & a little bit for Gray.
Both characters had uttered passion & love for their comrades, as well as an unwillingness to harm them. Both preferring to harm themselves for the well being of mentioned comrades. In the case of Gray even to the point of dying if necessary. Although his character development rises and falls with the reasons for the motivation to use Ice Shell against Deliora. Therefore his character development can be seen either as little or a lot. Furthermore he´s the one who received a power up which is development on it´s own.
Given all this input, it was a good chapter that´ll remain meaningful regardless of future developments.
Except Reina stayed dead :P
Hiro already pulled Musica and Reina with Gajeel's death, now it's getting stale.
You're right, Grey got -ve development now. All his development with valuing his own life went down the drain. He just spat on the sacrifice of Ul, Ultear and Silver, as well as the development that Natsu gave him. Fuck, Grey was in my top 10 FT characters, not anymore after this
Lol, he didn't spat on any sacrifice those characters made for Gray. They would've been proud of Gray if they saw what he did for Juvia. Infact they would shed tears for him.
He attempted to suicide because he would rather move on living with his girl than without her. This is simply what couples do. Infact Gajeel would've done the same damn thing.
Your hate on for Juvia is making you blind to that. This made me like Gray even more because he brought in something new to the table. Dropping him off your fav list is just retarded tbh
I'll talk about the chapter later but this is something that I had to reply to first.
No, they sacrificed so that Grey could live on.
Grey attempting to commit suicide means that he doesn't value his life anymore, which many people sacrificed to maintain, that's disrespect to them.
So if your lover dies, you've got to suicide too? BS. You've got to live for their sake and for the sake of other people who care about you, and for your own damn sake cause you live only once. And like I said, this is pure disrespect to all the people who sacrificed their life so that Grey could live. Take you twisted philosophy outta here. And no, this has got nothing to do with Juvia, I'm talking about Grey not Juvia here.
If anything, major part of his charcter development was realizing that his life is precious and he should NEVER let it go, and protect it at all costs.
By the way, Grey was always rejecting her thirsty obsessive ASS time and time again, this ship is forced AF.
- #3
Guys, from the spoilers, it seems chapter 500 is going to be terrible...
Not the place to discuss this here, however "if they turn out to be true" it´s nothing unexpected. It´s just more of the same and won´t change my rating for last chapter as I did consider & predict this outcome.
SoraLovesManga said:
Ah but at this point Gray is still in denial. Although Gray often ignores Juvia, this is the only time he actually denies her. A part of him is still remembering that he almost lost her. If you've forgotten, Gray just 'died' to save Juvia. That causes a lot of mixed emotions. Throughout the series there are several small scenes of development between the pair. Although the pair's development is very subtle, it's there from the beginning. Gray did allow Juvia to live with him after all. Not to mention all those small moments in between. Gray and Juvia are actually one of my favorite couples because of how far they've come. Over time Juvia has calmed down quite a lot, and Gray has grown much warmer. Have you forgotten the scene just before the war where Gray tells Juvia he will reveal his TRUE feelings after the war, and to let him focus for now. For me this was the biggest turning point.
See, the difference between denial and open refusal is the level of confidence such an assertion is uttered. Gray never stutters or shows any other signs of being unsure about his decisionDying for a comrade and or for a lover can have different motivations but also the same value to the one performing the sacrifice. Who do you think Gray loves more? Natsu, Juvia, Erza, Lyon, Ul? They are all family to him. Yes the pairing had development, but all the romantic development for Gray came after Juvia killed Silver.
There was not a single instance in which he showed any affection towards her before that development.There have been situations in which Mashima foreshadowed them coming together, like them performing together during the Magnolia festival, or Juvia being the first that performs Unison Raid together with Gray, although the first couple to perform Unison Raid together were Juvia&Lucy and I don´t see anyone writing Yuri fanfiction with them.
No I never forgott their moments they had "after Silvers death". The development after The Tartaros arc between the two has been quite logical, both made excusable decisions that fit their characters but this was like I explained above after Juvia saved Gray from despair, the same way he saved her from despair during their fight.
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metsujin said:
I'm bitter because this was a important tool in killing a old character. Thr chapter itself was nice. I still got mixed feelings because she can come back.
I´m pretty sure that she´ll come back, still this wouldn´t diminish my opinion of this chapter, because Juvia already distributed her willingness to get hurt for the sake of her comrades during the Laxus arc, but we did not knew the extend she was willing to go or specifically how far she would go for Grey. Grey also showcased how much he changed because during the moon drip arc he wanted to sacrifice his life for the sake of vengeance and was hold back. He swore to never try to kill himself again, but he broke his own rule for the sake of saving a beloved one. Wether or not it had romantic undertones from his side is debatable but as far as I understood Hiro goes for a Sasuke here. He´s the cool guy, seemingly emotionless, unable to communicate his feelings, due to his dark and tragic past that made him cold the way he is, which his ability symbolizes . It kinda fails though, because he consistently gets into fights with Natsu and is quite open with his feelings towards anyone else.
You don´t have to agree, but this is my pov and this is my reasoning.
Just a question. What do you mean by too l& character? Invel´s Ice chains and Juvia?
No agree, the message Hiro is trying to tell its nice, and it really pushed those two to their limits. The thing with the chians bother me the most, I just can't let go of it, it just stucked in my head, again probably nitpicking but I still wanted a somewhat good explanation, silly me.
- #5
I know everyone's complaining about how the whole blood transfusion magic came out of nowhere but I have a bigger problem; how can a blood transfusion fix the fact that Gray had a HOLE in his stomach? He stabbed himself, didn't he? For some reason, in anime/manga, gaping holes don't seem to matter much.
- #6
Geekwoglasses said:
frostmourn said:
Rex_Connor said:
frostmourn said:
Isterio said:
Given Hiro Mashima´s history with Fairy Tail it´s highly unlikely that Juvia will stay dead. Although the chapter is clearly a reference to Musica and Reina, even down to the panel-work with the link between them, the beautiful page-spread panel with the male crying tears of sorrow to contrast the feelings of the female who willingly gave her life away for her beloved one.
I gave this chapter a 5/5, even if a resurrection happens, which I´m almost certain of, this particular chapter keeps it´s quality.
We received a lot of character development for Juvia & a little bit for Gray.
Both characters had uttered passion & love for their comrades, as well as an unwillingness to harm them. Both preferring to harm themselves for the well being of mentioned comrades. In the case of Gray even to the point of dying if necessary. Although his character development rises and falls with the reasons for the motivation to use Ice Shell against Deliora. Therefore his character development can be seen either as little or a lot. Furthermore he´s the one who received a power up which is development on it´s own.
Given all this input, it was a good chapter that´ll remain meaningful regardless of future developments.
Except Reina stayed dead :P
Hiro already pulled Musica and Reina with Gajeel's death, now it's getting stale.
You're right, Grey got -ve development now. All his development with valuing his own life went down the drain. He just spat on the sacrifice of Ul, Ultear and Silver, as well as the development that Natsu gave him. Fuck, Grey was in my top 10 FT characters, not anymore after this
Lol, he didn't spat on any sacrifice those characters made for Gray. They would've been proud of Gray if they saw what he did for Juvia. Infact they would shed tears for him.
He attempted to suicide because he would rather move on living with his girl than without her. This is simply what couples do. Infact Gajeel would've done the same damn thing.
Your hate on for Juvia is making you blind to that. This made me like Gray even more because he brought in something new to the table. Dropping him off your fav list is just retarded tbh
I'll talk about the chapter later but this is something that I had to reply to first.
No, they sacrificed so that Grey could live on.
Grey attempting to commit suicide means that he doesn't value his life anymore, which many people sacrificed to maintain, that's disrespect to them.
So if your lover dies, you've got to suicide too? BS. You've got to live for their sake and for the sake of other people who care about you, and for your own damn sake cause you live only once. And like I said, this is pure disrespect to all the people who sacrificed their life so that Grey could live. Take you twisted philosophy outta here. And no, this has got nothing to do with Juvia, I'm talking about Grey not Juvia here.
If anything, major part of his charcter development was realizing that his life is precious and he should NEVER let it go, and protect it at all costs.
By the way, Grey was always rejecting her thirsty obsessive ASS time and time again, this ship is forced AF.
Just want to correct one thing. He didn't commit suicide after Juvia did it, they both did it simultaneously.
Even then, it's pure -ve development for him. the MAJOR developments he had involved him realizing how precious his life is, and to never throw it away.
People sacrificed so that he could live, his development from Natsu and Silver also went down the drain
Except none of it went down the drain. You're too daft to realize the situation and sheer magnitude Gray and Juvia were in considering they are fighting to the death and the only way to break the locks is if one of them dies.. Considering Gray realizes if he won would mean Juvia's death, hence he went for a gentleman route of sacrificing himself for her body,
so what the fuck do you expect? Gray to kill Juvia? Gray isn't evil.
- #7
Never was a huge fan of Juvia/Gray myself as I can't take their relationship seriously most of the time. I'm also pretty sure Juvia will be fine soon after this battle is over. (would be genuinely surprised if she doesn't return)
That pissed off Gray though.
Yea I don't care much about Gruvia (more of a graytear/grayza fan tbh) that much either, but I thought that it was fine this time.
That pissed off Gray was probably the highlight of the chapter
- #8
Chapter was nice... I have mixed feelings about it tho If she stays dead (I doubt it) I will be pleased, tho this chapter has a few plotholes (maybe more?).
First there's still not much explanation on the ice chains, just what they do, but not how they work, as in how can it make someone fight against their own will. Second what blood type are those 2? It just doesn't work that way you know... and the magic she used its BS... sorry but that's how it is, the moment was indeed touching, but all of this can mean nothing if she comes back (will probably happen). I'm looking forward to the next chapter, seems like it will be something big.
Gotta quote yourself on this and give you your answer you use against complainers. "It´s a magical world with different rules, of whom we do not know all yet therefore you´ll have to wait for an answer that may come sometime".
Invel´s ice magic isn´t in any way more alien than the wind magic the phantom lord guy used that erases all magic from the user, which he nearly killed Makarov with. One is essentially a wind based manaburn and the other is an ice based mindcontroll. There is no physics to it, Hiro just applied video game logic to his manga.The same way Brandish can shrink wounds and calling now bullshit on it is kinda late, especially since he was doing that during the Phantom Lord Arc.
What exactly is BS about Juvia´s magic? It didn´t came out of nowhere since she saw Gray die once already. Given her devotion towards him it makes perfect sense for her character to develop a magic like this, considering she´s no healer.
Developing the magic in secret makes all the more sense as everyone else would talk her out of it. As for the problem with blood types. It was never established that there are different blood types in this universe neither if her magic nullifies any of those circumstances or if she is a 0 blood type. There are plenty of excuses Hiro can utilize.
Also let´s be honest you wouldn't´t have any of those complaints if it would have been between Lucy & Natsu.
- #11
I think it went out perfectly, it was such a good plot twist when gray stabbed himself when everyone just thought Juvia would the then one, the only one, to take her life. The blood fusion magic thingy was a kinda bs plot segment but it worked. Seeing grays face on the last page gave me shivers, pun intended. In next chapter Invel will most likely lose to gray but question is will he continue to bring out the darkness of gray. Probably yes and gonna be exciting. Next chapter is fire and ice which is weird cuz it seems it just going to be battle between 2 ice users but my production is that invel will explain the "fire" Mage END and possibly tell gray that his Nutsu and that Gray the "ice" Mage is the one that must delete him.
Interestingly though Invel went on the kill END/Natsu after he realized gray is dead. So question is, is it just Invel who wants to get rid of END or is it all sprigans? Because of its all sprigans, Nutsu is gonna be in trouble
- #12
frostmourn said:
Creepy_Noire_fan said:
The worst pat is that "fairy heart"'s other name is "lumen histoire" that kind of name guaranties time-manipulation magic. so we might get a magic that revives EVERYONE that died!
Really? It has that meaning to it too? Didn't know that, damn. Nice one.
I don't think that is the meaning. IIRC, it meant History of Light. I read that somewhere, not sure though.
yup Histoire = history. it's french
and considering Mavis can make illusions , my guess is that fairy heart might be something that can modify or negate past events by inserting real illusions in the past or turning some of them into an illusion(so it never happened) .
That kind of OP technique could take out ANYONE and also revive EVERYONE. It's perfect! it'd be able to take out acnologia and Ankhseram like zeref wanted and could give FT that happy ending that Hiro promised. He could use it to save natsu and revive everyone! i can totally see it now!
- #13
The way the entire chapter plays out, with the overly cheesy bit between Juvia and Gray, and how at the end Gray is all angry, presumably with a power-up, is more laughable than anything. It's as if Juvia's entire purpose is to make Gray stronger, even the romance this chapter felt completely shoehorned in because of their prior interactions and lack of focus on Juvia. All asspulls and superficial emotions, there's nothing here to take seriously.
Yep, agreed.
The prior interactions showed that Grey was hardly interested in her and wanted her to leave him alone.
I felt as tho all this was forced too (in before I get attacked yet AGAIN)