Fairy Tail Chapter 471 Discussion

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  • #26
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
How is Wendy not strong? She can go Dragon Force at will and defeated one of the Nine Demon Gates with ease using that form without any training. She's one of the main Five Characters, of course she will keep getting stronger like the rest of the cast. She's one of the strongest wizards on the battlefield right now because of her ability to use Dragon Force.



She's strong, but not THAT strong, remember that even Erza struggled against Ajeel who I guess was the weakest of the 12, Wendy and Sherria shouldn't be enough to defeat Dimaria at all, they need Erza+Kagura to join the party, or Dimaria just doesn't fit in the power-level of the 12.



I mean, I can understand that dragonforce boost a lot of magical power but if that is enough to make Wendy beat Dimaria, then I don't know what will happen when current Natsu or Laxus activate theirs.
 
  • #27
Kanic said:
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No I can't say you're all that wrong about Dimaria. Though her special trait has only started coming out the most since she started fighting. Before that she was pretty okay.



The only spriggans worth keepiing an eye on are definitely August, Wahl, Braddman Neinhart and Jacob. Dimaria is still not unsalvageable yet. She did seem to take Wendy's kick rather harshly so maybe her switch has been flipped.
 
  • #28
AllenNoah said:
metsujin said:
AllenNoah said:
MartintheDragon said:
parallelzero said:
I don't think Wendy's at any risk of being 'stripped' by Dimaria. Mashima has been pretty good about keeping Wendy fanservice to a minimum. So either Wendy isn't her 'type', or she'll start fighting seriously.



It was kind of left up in the air during the Avatar arc regarding whether or not she could go full Dragon Force at will, and this chapter more or less proves she can -- she was only pulling on a little of it's power during Avatar as evident by the fact that she didn't grow the wing pieces she has now and had during the Ezel battle.



But we probably won't see more of that battle for a couple of chapters. There are a lot of FT members on that front and only two Spriggan, so it's possible the Sky Sisters won't fight alone against Dimaria. So for now lets just see what happens with Laxus.



Please, for the love of God. Don't employ fanservice of Wendy or Chelia. I'm begging you, Mashima.

Um...a bit late for that?  Remember Natsu melting Chelia's clothes two arcs ago?  Wendy's bdsm outfit from the omake?  Wendy's ass shot from the ova?



What OVA? If it's the Ryuuzetsu Land one, that's all on the anime staff, since in the chapter it wasn't like that. And what omake? The punishment one?



I noticed that when it comes to fanservice for girls, those who are aged 15/16+ usually are the victims in most anime & manga.

The one before that.  The Beach Training one.  And yes, the punishment omake when Cana has her trying on different outfits.



I think that's Levy's ass (Gajeel gonna arrest us), but still it's not in the manga, so studio's fault. I can't comment on that much... because she was with Cana...
 
  • #29
^^Cuz it consumes a lot of magic? The spam arguement doesn't really work, there always limitations that exist for the sake of sensibility and balance that the author doesn't need to explicitly state every single time. Besides, Wahl could have thought "the first one had the elemtn of surprise and didn't work so now that they know how my attack works the 2nd shot has an even less rate of success". I know  I would if I was in his shoes
 
  • #30
Wendy comes and kick Dimaria's face with.... DRAGON FORCE MODE???! seriously? Is that mean that Wendy is better than Natsu at controlling dragon force? The last time Natsu activate it he's still need a bait to activate it..

And yes... the chapter is fooling aroud to much... what are you thinking Mashima?? It's in the middle of a war there.. Is he really want to end the manga that fast to the point most of the enemies are fighting all at once there..

But still.. my Fave girl is fighting too.. go get her Wendy!
 
  • #31
rapidcif said:


Now none of that is happening. Hell Dimaria pretty much let Kagura go back and regathering forces and guess who's with her now? Erza.

I want to comment on this part. Is it so hard to come to the conclusion that they were just arrogant and thought no matter who they brought, it wouldn't have been an issue? Hell given their status, it makes sense. Not to mention it's typical villain mistake 101.
 
  • #32
Darklight0303 said:
Evarinya said:
Darklight0303 said:
omeg4 said:
Darklight0303 said:
omeg4 said:
I think acnologia will be the final boss of FT and Zeref, Natsu and the other dragon slayers will have to defeat him together.



I don't think Zeref is evil he is probably doing all this just to kill acnologia for some reason. I think it was mentioned a few chapters earlier that he helped open that gate to try and defeat acnologia. Idk why acnologia is such big a threat though. He would have been a threat if dragons were alive but now that the dragons are all dead they should just leave him alone because he has no interest in humans. Moreover the only person he killed was serena. He let the other humans live.



The reasoning for that last bit is simple. He wants to eliminate all Dragon slayers. Everyone else is as relevant as specks of dust to him.

Yes but why start a war and risk the lives of millions to save 8 dragon slayers? It is a bit stupid imo



Acnologia didn't start the war though. He decided to butt in cause he can.

Actually, Zeref went and challenged him. Talk about not letting sleeping dragons lie....



Pretty sure Zeref told Acnologia to wait for the strong opponent. Zeref was still gonna go to war for Lumen Histoire even before that

Nah. I checked, just to be sure. He went to Acnologia and basically said "You've been waiting to fight all out, right? I'm going to annihilate you."

The bit about waiting is on the last page.



Zeref: It's a good thing you waited.. for the final battle between a Dragon, an Immortal and Mankind.



You can never really tell what that guy wants. But as far as I understand he planned the war just to obtain Fairy Heart. Once he gets his hands on the infinite magic power he'd be able to take care of Acnologia. It won't matter to him how many "pawns" are sacrificed in the process.
 
  • #33
rapidcif said:


I understand what you're saying, I really do. But i feel like you are exactly proving my point.



You are making these statements in the midst of the story's development. For example, you say the Spriggans haven't done anything, but that's because we aren't even at the point in the story where they can do anything -the war is still in it's developmental stage. Azeel was sort of an appetizer, and Serena was killed off by acnologia. Besides those 2, we haven't even begun to taste the extent of the Spriggan's abilities. Of course, regarding this, you can make the complaint that Hiro is taking too long "setting things up", which would be a legitimate claim. But this is distinctly different from your criticism of the development of these characters or the arc itself, when said development hasn't advanced much past its initial stage. It's akin to judging a 10 chapter book after reading the first 2 chapters. I think the crux of the problem is that we only get one chapter a week, and we want action, or our respective senses of satisfaction. And when we don't get what we want to see, we feel somewhat disappointed. But in fact, each chapter is but a puzzle piece of a the holistic story that is this arc; a portion of the whole should judged in light of the entire context, which we don't have. But the problem with a lot of fans is that they extend their weekly reactions to the entire work itself, and these feelings do not change despite redeeming developments that occur later, so they gradually develop into a type of distorted opinion(not saying this is you, just explaining my point). For example, you could say that Hiro is taking too long "setting things up", but you can't make a definitive conclusion on this until you see what he is setting up for. Similarly, you say Tartaros pushed FT while the Spriggans did not, but actually we aren't even at the point in the story where FT can be pushed or not-pushed. The idea is that you want to see it happen now whilst in a state where you have to wait a week for 20 pages of possible development and satifisfaction, but this is impossible. Not saying the work is perfect and flawless; my point is criticisms should be made in the right context.



Great arguements , no doubt. But the issue is that the Spriggan are actually losing face. So it's not that we are on the wait to see what they can do, rather we see their presence overshadowed bit by bit. Look at it like this:

Azeel-Down.

Brandish - Switched sides.

Serened-Dead (acno or not he provided entertainment for ONE chapter)

Dimaria-One of the most ridiculous villains in this manga.



Wahl is the only exception. He tried to kill the Raijinshu and Ichiya with fake robots and that didn't work he shot a huge-ass laser across from the harbor.



The rest are on hold.



...So in a way, 1/4 of them are down, and only 1/12 delivered so far. Do we have some sort of foreshadowing a brutal plan/strategy on their part to build promise -as per your saying? No , we do not...



Either way, major props for the bolded sentence, independently from the topic discussed specifically in this chapter.
 
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