Fairy Tail Chapter 471 Discussion
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- #147
ah, Dimaria, I thought you might be kind of cool before you started tearing clothes off women. Now you're just annoying.
Still, looking forward to seeing some of the battles.
Ok so one problem i have with this is that it has been explicitly stated that Dimaria is a very seasoned war veteran. She knows what shes doing. I don't think she does this just to get a rise out of it. I think she does it to degrade the opponent and embarrass them i.e. lowering their guard and making them an easier target. Dimaria does this for a reason.
- #148
rapidcif said:
I understand what you're saying, I really do. But i feel like you are exactly proving my point.
You are making these statements in the midst of the story's development. For example, you say the Spriggans haven't done anything, but that's because we aren't even at the point in the story where they can do anything -the war is still in it's developmental stage. Azeel was sort of an appetizer, and Serena was killed off by acnologia. Besides those 2, we haven't even begun to taste the extent of the Spriggan's abilities. Of course, regarding this, you can make the complaint that Hiro is taking too long "setting things up", which would be a legitimate claim. But this is distinctly different from your criticism of the development of these characters or the arc itself, when said development hasn't advanced much past its initial stage. It's akin to judging a 10 chapter book after reading the first 2 chapters. I think the crux of the problem is that we only get one chapter a week, and we want action, or our respective senses of satisfaction. And when we don't get what we want to see, we feel somewhat disappointed. But in fact, each chapter is but a puzzle piece of a the holistic story that is this arc; a portion of the whole should judged in light of the entire context, which we don't have. But the problem with a lot of fans is that they extend their weekly reactions to the entire work itself, and these feelings do not change despite redeeming developments that occur later, so they gradually develop into a type of distorted opinion(not saying this is you, just explaining my point). For example, you could say that Hiro is taking too long "setting things up", but you can't make a definitive conclusion on this until you see what he is setting up for. Similarly, you say Tartaros pushed FT while the Spriggans did not, but actually we aren't even at the point in the story where FT can be pushed or not-pushed. The idea is that you want to see it happen now whilst in a state where you have to wait a week for 20 pages of possible development and satifisfaction, but this is impossible. Not saying the work is perfect and flawless; my point is criticisms should be made in the right context.
Great arguements , no doubt. But the issue is that the Spriggan are actually losing face. So it's not that we are on the wait to see what they can do, rather we see their presence overshadowed bit by bit. Look at it like this:
Azeel-Down.
Brandish - Switched sides.
Serened-Dead (acno or not he provided entertainment for ONE chapter)
Dimaria-One of the most ridiculous villains in this manga.
Wahl is the only exception. He tried to kill the Raijinshu and Ichiya with fake robots and that didn't work he shot a huge-ass laser across from the harbor.
The rest are on hold.
...So in a way, 1/4 of them are down, and only 1/12 delivered so far. Do we have some sort of foreshadowing a brutal plan/strategy on their part to build promise -as per your saying? No , we do not...
Either way, major props for the bolded sentence, independently from the topic discussed specifically in this chapter.
And he never did that again, probably because it would've worked if it he did. It really just highlighted how hollow and token the Spriggan hype was.
- #149
God Serena was strongest man on Ishgar. He was built up as THE strongest character on Spriggan side. And the only reason he got to trash around others was to hype it up when Acnologia oneshots him for no reason.
When exactly Serena was build as the strongest on Spriggan side?
Solely because he has 8DS Lachrymas?AFAIK, we have yet to see the power of the others to judge Serena like that, just because the guy was a dragon-slayer doesn't put him easily above the others, otherwise why would August be hyped to that extent, before the actual fight Serena had no hype built whatsoever but August had it, I don't know where you got that Serena was the strongest there...
By the time Ajeel had been shot by Jupiter he had already blocked it once and took 2 or 3 direct swings from Erza(not because she's Erza but because he got cocky) and Erza didn't even solo'd the guy, Mashima clearly showed she was in danger there and shouldn't be able to solo him yet you compare that to the Kyouka fight, sure.
Who in a RELEVANT meaning way died in Tartaros?
Some old guys that we've never heard about and suddenly became more important for the plot,Silver being the only death in Tartaros that had any impact,Igneel was killed by Acnologia so don't make it sound like Tararos was the one behind it, heck Mard Geer didn't even knew that Natsu is E.N.D, talk about villains overhyping themselves but in reality they didn't knew shit, not to mention I can't remember a single character from Tartaros having an interesting personality, everyone is just crazy to fight or kill, just like Laxus back in the dark era.
If anything I don't know how can you take Tartaros fake drama serious when they were threating to wipe out magic of the entire continent but funny enough only Fairy Tail and some minor help from Sabertooth cared about it, the TOP4 WS didn't even wasted their time with it because they knew Tartaros wasn't worth of it, YET here we have around 7Guilds plus the 4TOP WS making an alliance to beat only 12Wizards, this is how you properly make a drama that the bad guys are really something this time.
"They didn't do anything yet", we don't know their strategies, the only thing we know about them is their objective to achieve Fairy Heart, also Zeref said back then to Makarov that "some" of the 12 are hard to control, so I take that as if a lot of the Spriggans don't really like to fight that much at all and they're not demons who are solely made for destruction, if killing everyone in sight was the case then Zeref is the one to blame here since the guy could just go in the front line and pretty much kill everyone in the way and not even Acnologia would stop it since he's immortal.
Deaths will probably come in this arc sooner or later, whatever if you like to wait or not, please just pay attention that Mashima is throwing fan-service panels in the middle of the war, you really think this will suddenly change to some cold-blood war?
And just like some people are saying, how can you even think Wendy in DS mode shouldn't even be able to hit Dimaria, Wendy might be super-young, that doesn't remove the fact she still have DS magic, not to mention, it was a sneaky-attack and Dimaria was focusing on Sherria, as powerfull as I think the Valkyrie is, Wendy shouldn't be that weaker compared to her to the point she can't even land a hit.
- #151
It honestly sounds like you have unrealistic expectations of the power levels. This is Fairy Tail for gods sake. The strongest fucking characters have gotten their faces punched in due to things like over confidence and power ups from the main characters. I have seen nothing from the Spriggans that suggests the main characters at their strongest can't land a single attack, especially from something like Dragon Force (Only time I saw Dragon Force be useless was from the Twin Dragons). That is overhyping something to the point of ridiculousness. Are the Spriggins individually stronger than most of the other characters? Most Definitely. They can still get hurt though (They're not omnipotent and they're WAY too over confident) and having a bunch of main characters face them at the same time puts them at a disadvantage. Also just let me point out the only reason Wendy was able to land that kick without being attacked back was because it was a SNEAK attack at super high speed using Dragon Force.
A brilliant story arcs that make sense like Tartaros tend to raise expectations.
Even with lowered expectations(which is not hard after gray gets whitewashed, Natsu punches out a god, Brandish starts barking like a dog and Lucy loses any and all story relevance so her mother can be used as random plot device) this is shaping up to be as dumb as tenrou and gmg. Which both are the worst arcs in FT.
- #152
AllenNoah said:
Fai said:
Its hilarious on how the times you facepalm increase with every page of FT chapter nowadays.
Welp...Spriggans being a complete fucking joke confirmed. They literally have yet to do anything important. Hey the spikey girl cut more clothes! Yay I guess? "Strongest beings on the continent" my ass.
First Brandish gets turned into fucking comedy gag, then God Serena gets anticlimatic "death". Now two more get their faces kicked in by fucking Wendy and Laxus out of all people. This is reaching GMG and Tenrou Island level of "what the fuck are you smoking, mashima?"
2/5
GMG I get, but what was wrong with Tenrou? Besides Erza vs Azuma, I mean.
"let's beat hades with TOMORROW's Share of magic!"
"Oh look this unbeatable villain has a very convenient mcguffin failsafe instakill that was found by useless cat!"
That was Faust. Though I'll agree that was dumb. Hades was:
"I have Lightning Flame Dragon Mode now!"
"Cute, I'm gonna open my other eye now."
"Well...shit."
And it wasn't an instakill. In fact he was still able to tank Natsu's hits and even send him back before Laxus blindsided him and Ultear restored the Tenrou Tree giving everyone their power back allowing them to dogpile him. In my opinion Hades was the best victory over an arc villain. It was a massive team effort not just on the battlefield, but behind the scenes too and Hades himself took massive amounts of punishment before going down as opposed to the villains we have now.
