Fairy Tail Chapter 305 Discussion

^Firsth things first, (and most importantly) you gotta realise that not everything that is mentioned by each and every character is the absolute truth and that these things should be considered based on the character that tells these things. In other words, Jose was brewing with confidence at that momment and he simply stated that "were you not weakened I would have even more fun". Here is another example: Later on Jose was insulting and belittling Makarov stating that he is old and that there is noway that he can beat him etc etc. Was that true? Obviously not since he had his ass handed to him. Another more recent example is Lecter who was constantly sayin "Sting you are definetely the best  and the strongest etc etc". Obviously he was wrong.



And btw while you are constantly refering to Second Origin it seems to me that you are forgetting that for the rest 7  years passed. You make it sound as if these 7 years meant nothing for the rest and Jura is still "no match for Makarov" (as he stated 7 years ago). I think it's obvious that he too evolved.



And in response to your last sentence, we have:

-the MPF

-the sense of one's magical power (recall the end of Gildarts vs Natsu)

- and Mavis' (bleh) calculative and precise judgement

But wouldn't it be even more interesting/shocking if Kagura without drawing her sword is casually holding off Jura?  That would leave even more anticipation for this future arc you guys speak off.  Not to mention, everyone will take her threat more seriously.



I'm all for Kagura dealing with Jura, even if she's not serious.

^ Yeah I assume that the Time-Skip did Jura good. That's the only thing that really makes sense to me. It's true that not everything someone says is true, but Erza has proved time and time again that she's at least close to WS level. I'm not an Erza fan boy btw, I'm just trying to make sense of the power consistencies or lack thereof.

Mavis ♥

Kanic said:
^No matter who Jura ends up paired with (most propably Laxus) I hope he won't lose, cuz it would be too much of an overexageration of FT's abilities. Besides, to me it seems that Laxus already has Orga waiting for him. Maybe Orga will get one shot and be regarded as a small-fry and then Laxus will move on to the big fish? Dunno, but I hope Jura won't lose otherwise the title of the SW will be reduced to dust.



it really wouldn't be exaggerated

Erza defeated 100 monsters alone (and the strongest alone was appearently at saint level), Natsu defeated the twin dragon slayers without using his full power, Laxus single handedly owned Raven Tail with barely any effort

THOSE were exaggerations

compared to that, Laxus defeating Jura seems reasonble



and it wouldn't diminish the title of wizard saint because Laxus extremely strong, probably among the top 10 we've seen so far

I would like the idea of Laxus getting moar attention but I still think he's a bad choice for Jura. Anyway, I like your idea about the cursed sword, I have explained it to myself in a similar way also.



Well, all what's left is to see it.

Kanic said:
ShiroX said:


it really wouldn't be exaggerated

Erza defeated 100 monsters alone (and the strongest alone was appearently at saint level), Natsu defeated the twin dragon slayers without using his full power, Laxus single handedly owned Raven Tail with barely any effort

THOSE were exaggerations

compared to that, Laxus defeating Jura seems reasonble



and it wouldn't diminish the title of wizard saint because Laxus extremely strong, probably among the top 10 we've seen so far



There's a difference between top 10 and top 5. I think that the list I gave before is correct, if you have any objections feel free to say so. As for the examples you gave: we have seen many times many different mages (among them Natsu/Gray and Sting/Rogue who are not of FT) taking on entire small dark guilds. Which means that Laxus vs Raven wasn't THAT much, especially since Raven Tail weren't given a chance to retaliate. The momment they were hit they were arrested. Maybe they are fodder, maybe they just weren't given a chance. But none of them is SW level to compare it to this. We have seen what the 10 are capable of and I insist that it is far more an exageration.

As for Erza, allow me to quote myself:

Kanic said:
^Firsth things first, (and most importantly) you gotta realise that not everything that is mentioned by each and every character is the absolute truth and that these things should be considered based on the character that tells these things.



Meaning that the pumpkin was merely showing off the quality of the matches. There is no way in hell that that monster was equal to an SW. What did you expect the presentator to say for his own show? "Just some monsters in here, like a walk in the park, no biggie". Besides the actual sentence was that "not even an SW is guaranted to slay it". Simply impliying a high risk. That's all.



raven Tail was the only dark guild acting independently of the balam alliance, which should say a lot about their power

they were also a specialized anti FT guild, which makes thier loss against him even more surprising



and wizard saints aren't untouchable (it's not like they are remotely as strong as Makarov)

I'd say Gildarts is above Jellal and  Jura

it was implied several times that  even Erza has the potential to become a saint



also, Jura hasn't really shown  much

he owned Brain (who is probably slightly weaker than Erza), he scored high on the MPF (which doesn't say much since the others were weaklings) and shortly overpowered Jellal (who couldn't use his real strength)

it shows he's really strong, but in no way says he can't be defeated by some of the strongest characters like Laxus





yes, the announcer was most likely exaggerating, but it still shows how strong that monster roughly is

with that, Erza should be close to saint level



btw my top 10 would  be:

Zeref, Hades, Makarov, Zero, Gildarts, Blunote, Jellal, Jose, Laxus, Jura

(just roughly, since I don't know how much stronger some of them got post-timeskip)

blackslash32 said:
Am i the only one here that finds Mavis "tactic" stupid?



Yes.