Vinland Saga Chapter 106 Discussion

Hayatempest said:
Are there any historical figures other than Canute who lived at that time that they might also meet?



Much of Karselfini's past is unknown but i don't believe that he ever goes to greece. So don't expect any famous historical greek figure on this one as i don't believe there is any famous historical greek figure during the middle ages. Maybe we will at least meet Edward the Confessor so who knows.

Well, I was already prepared for a long ass ride hehe.



And lol, I think Gudrid is actually pretty cute.

Thanks to everyone who answered my question. Much like Canute before I read this manga, I'm not familiar with any of those historical figures, which makes me pretty excited to see how Yukimura is going to depict them. And even if he isn't going to be 100% faithful, I'll just read on them as they appear :)



Well, with all the countries they're going to pass through and the people they could meet, this arc has a lot of potential. I hope Yukimura isn't going to resort to a time-skip and speed up their journey. While going to Greece and back home Thorfinn and co can find themselves into all sorts of situations (battles, sieges, encounters with bandits...etc)

Welp, seems like this isn't going to end soon, like I thought it would from the story so far... At least there's more looking forward to new chapters~

I'm fine with Thorfinn's pacifism. But you can be a pacifist and kick ass at the same time. Problem is Thorfinn right now doesn't even bother to fight which is indeed a problem. See Loran Ceyhack from Turn A Gundam. I think he is one of the best pacifist protagonist out there. He doesn't kill anybody but he is able to immobilized the mobile suits and kick ass at the same time without being a fucking hypocrite like Kira Yamato from Seed Destiny. Kenshin also still kicks ass and defend himself whenever someone attacks him and he knows that his ideology is  but still have the strong resolve to still live by it.



Once Thorfinn lands in Vinland we will see how Yukimura handles it. I think Natvies will be undoubtedly hostile.

gilgamesh310 said:
Neizaru said:
I just hope it won't be another ridiculous no-death pacifism fights though. Naive ideologies in a seinen leave a very bad aftertaste. Yes. Even in shounen I find pacifism to be a very silly concept. In seinen it stands out as being more ridiculous. When people attack you with the intent to kill you or your loved ones, you protect yourself by any means necessary. You certainly don't let them punch the shit out of you.

Guess Fate's Luvia Edelfelt is a character in this manga now.

This new adventure seems promising!

HOLY SHIT, AN ARC THAT MIRRORS THE VARANGIAN TRADE ROUTES



YESSSSS



Don't mind me, just booting up the official sountrack for this arc.

I think the biggest flaw with the whole story is that it's very grounded in realism in one sense but also very unrealistic in others. The pacifism and OTT fights being an example of the latter. Its hard to become properly immersed in its world when it has the unrealistic stuff.

Let's get ready for the adventure

RedgraveGilver said:
While we didn't exactly see how Thorfinn become a Slave, i think the farmland arc did an amazing job for his character development enough. Also Thorfinn's change didn't suddenly occur on a time skip. Remember than when the farmland arc started, Thorfinn is broken, he lacks the hygiene even for that time and can even barely speak to Einar. We see he gradually changes from his struggles with at the time he is working for Ketil's farm and one of his major arc for his change is when he see a vision of Askeladd and the arc with the Slave girl that Einar loved.



Orvieto said:


I will say as someone versed in Icelandic and early Medieval history, his hardcore pacifistic personality is highly irregular for the society and psychology of the time in regards to someone of his status in society. Rather, it seems the mangaka is forcing hardcore Japanese Bushido on a character in the turbulent 11th century Europe (which has VERY different moral codes and beliefs compared to 16th-17th century Japan)



You couldn't be even more right. I'm glad i'm not the only who noticed that. I made an entire post addressing that point how the manga is actually incorporating many Japanese and bushido ideology. It has something to do how both cultures have different mind sets on exploring different lands.



http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=619537&show=20



What I meant is that Farm-arc Thorfinn is a new character, and we got to see that character develop. Not the original Thorfinn. The crucial development is seeing how proud Thorfinn devolved into the state of the demure and meek Farm-arc Thorfinn. We didn't see that. The lazy mangaka used a time-skip instead. The character development is just too extreme, quick, and done too poorly. Thorfinn doesn't just accept pacifism, but adheres to a über-pacifistic lifestyle that is hard to see historically plausible even in Bushido-era Japan.

There is a jarring and major dissonance between the main character, and the setting.