What Services Do Original Web fiction Authors Need to Succeed

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  • #10
Of course matching editors with authors would be a ton of work. Mostly because editing still requires a ton of effort and you don't get much out of it unless you are paid. So the ones generally who help edit are fans who want early access or the like.

That said, even basic proof readers would be a huge step up for many authors. 
 
  • #11
I also think constantly marketing ones work, will build up an audience.

Or getting your book/story recognized by notable outlets.  

Success is dependent on what you believe. If you think that having 10 readers is a success, congratulations.

Not being cynical, just pointing out, that having direction on where your story goes is entirely up to you.

If you want to reach a wider audience, post your work, publish your work to as many platforms you feel comfortable with.  Have other people share your work and it will be like a trickle effect. 
 
  • #12
Thanks a bunch.
From all the feedback I have gotten, it will be a monumental task since using volunteers for such a thing wont work
Instead I will simply offer a la carte book publishing service. Basically, your unedited web novel becomes a light novel or an edited published ebook or comic 
 
  • #13
奈何笑忘川 is an online novelist I know, he started writing online novels at the beginning of 2018. At that time, he had been reading Internet novels for more than ten years and he was working on a very boring and poorly paid job. The novel 《我老婆是重生大BOSS》, average number of subscriptions was about 3K, made him feel that he could write full-time.
But his second novel 《姐姐有妖气》 was forced to end early because of some "inappropriate plots", .
After a period of rest, he began to write his third novel 《捡到个女帝》, this book almost completely reproduces the idea of his first book, in his own words, it was "making dirty money". Because he only wanted to copy the success of his first book, and he didn't have any passion when he wrote it.
But he failed, average number of subscriptions was about 1.5K, he didn't even have the money to pay Social Security.
With the help of a group of author friends, he began to try to create a new novel, 《我怎么就火了呢》. This is his last attempt, because he is an only child. His parents were only workers, and after two successive failures in supporting the family by writing books, he had difficulty bearing the strange eyes of relatives and friends.
This time he thought that his passion in writing was no less than that in writing his first novel, and like his first novel, this novel is full of new ideas.
His first day subscription was close to 15K, average number of subscriptions is about 13K. From all angles, he succeeded.
I know it sounds like a fairy tale, but he really succeeded: A young man, relying on his own efforts and passion, did not give up easily after setbacks, and finally succeeded.
But he's just an example, that's all.
Some people work harder than him, some people are more passionate than him, some people are more amazing than him… But none of them succeeded.
In fact, network novel creation, like any industry, you do not have a certain reason for success. But I know that if you don't make the most basic efforts, you will not succeed. (Unless your father is the CEO of Qidian)
Oh, by the way, the above is what you need to consider after choosing a good website. Websites that are rarely pirated(Faloo,  Hbooker, etc. ) are better suited for an author in some ways than Qidian, if you don't think about popularity and only care about income. 
 
  • #15
Oh, hey, people remember me!

Well, first off: what exactly do it means to the author to succeed? Having a good writting? Being famous? Getting enough money to survive?

The first one is easy: you get good at things by studying them and doing them. So go read books about writting, maybe get yourself iinto a creative writting course on a college or university or even a online one, there's plently of them. An write a lot, without fear of being shitty at it for a while. You will get better.

Getting famous is harder, but depending on how much famous you put the line to be a success, it's achievable. Mostly, get your work out there, and you eventually you will hit the finish line. I have seen people doing podcasts and youtube videos as a side to their writting, especially because it can get you some ad money on the side as well. Which is nice because...

...the last and most hard of them is getting to live on writting. Not gonna lie, that was my dream for the longest time in my adult life. From 18 to about 29 I believed that I could break the clouds and have my place in the sun as a writter. Then I finally made the math and noticed that even being a sucessful writter in Brazil means you're living barelly above minimum wage. I mean, a guy who seels 3 thousand copies of a R$40 novel in six months is a beast, a nascent superstar in the book market. He also got to live with about R$ 2.000 a month, which is a little more than a intern at a bank makes on average. Except that the book could have take him more than six months to make, and then more than that to get from first draft to final draft to publishing. If it took a year, then he's making about R$ 1.000 a month, which is R$ 2 more than the minimum wage in Brazil. It's also R$ 200 less than the average wage of garbage collectors. And since writters don't work on the CLT (the worker protection laws of Brazil), they don't get vacations, sick days, food and transport tickets, 13th salaries (in Brazil, by law, in december you get paid two salaries instead of one), so at the end of the day the up and coming writter that is selling 50% more than the average print run of most books in Brazil (which is 2k)? He's living below the poverty line.

And that is the sucessful guy, most books are sucessful for the publishing company if they sell 50% of their print run in six months, with a average print run of two thousand books, and a price tag of R$ 40, along with the standard 10% of the base price tag as royalties, that means R$ 4.000 in six months, or about R$ 666,66 per month, about two thirds of the minimum wage, but then there's the problems we already talk about so suddenly a average writter in Brazil makes about R$ 300, and the poverty line in Brazil is at R$ 387 of monthly income.

This, of course, is if nothing bad happens. For example, in the last 12 months, the company which published 2 of my books didn't pay my royalties. Its not from a lack of money, since they had a sucessful crowd funding campaign for a new book that got them R$ 1,918 million. In said campaign they also sold 44 copies of my books as part of the add-ons for the pledges. They just think they can get away with not paying, and they can, because what writter living on barelly a minimum wage can afford fucking litigation costs?

So, there's that. I don't know how you can get yourself living confortably as a writter. I don't think it can be done in my country at least. Sure, if you hit it big as an actual superstar that sells tens of thousands of books per year, then sure, but there must be like 20 guys tops country wide who can do that, if not less. 
 
  • #17
Problem is, the way web novels are generally published, what they'd need is one of those Men in Black neuralizers to flash away reader memories.  Typos are a shrug thing, diligent people will report them and you can fix them and provided you're only dealing with one or two every chapter or so it won't be annoying (I dealt with cleaning up typos someone found only after literal thousands of other people had already read something; really, if you do your due diligence in having clean prose you'll be fine by most readers).  It's the other stuff, and once it's read, it's hard (impossible) to make people un-read it.

Actual story problems are difficult to deal with, particularly with us typical run-of-the-mills who fly by the seat of our pants (e.g. I literally was hitting "Publish" as soon as a chapter finished its pass in Grammarly and I copy-pasted it in, most nights).  This is actually a place where having an early release Patreon could be helpful -- you get your alpha/beta readers AND you're getting paid for it, wow! -- but that's predicated on having enough of an audience and having something already good enough to hook people in for it.  Not a situation most people are in.

But if you don't have some alpha/beta reader setup, either of the Patreon sort or just the friendly inner circle kind, and if you're doing what I did and writing right up to the wire... story screw-ups tend to be issues that compounded over time.  You might not recognize the trap until it's sprung up all around you, and taking time out to address that can shatter one of the most important things for a web novel writer: momentum.

Among other things, I poured a vat of kerosene on Devourer of Destiny and set it on fire because I hated the style the most recent volume had fallen into when I was already 60k+ words into it.  It was very and-then-things-happened-because-they-needed-to, much like the final seasons of Game of Thrones ended up.  It didn't help matters at all that I was coming to absolutely loathe being in the story's titular character's head.  There was little I could do to clean that up in the near term, though; the show had to keep going on or it had to bust, which it did by my own hand (in the long-term, I decided that before I return to that novel I will cut the current Volume Four and start it over, but that's a luxury of now having a "when I pick up my abandoned work" stance to work from).  So is the fate of a lot of stuff, if not quite so spectacularly.

TL;DR: There are no tools to fix what you're talking about, because it's a people problem and not a system problem.  The real fix is doing it right the first time (hah), and second best is learning and not repeating those kinds of mistakes in the future (and note how many of the CN blockbusters didn't become such until their third or fourth novel). 
 
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