Bleach Chapter 659 Discussion

This might not actually be Ichigo :O

He got there way too fast for one, and two Haschwalt wants to test Uryu so this could be an illusion or something created by Haschwalt.

Believing he killed Ichigo might trigger a power in Uryu as well.



The things spread out everywhere might have been planted by Ryuken.

His wife probably died when yhwach did his auchwallen, so he was dissecting her for a way to counter it.



lol

Fai said:




> Ichigo Solves all the problems and defeats opponents

"OMG why is it only MC doing everything so boring"

> Ichigo actually takes backseat and the narrative shows other characters as competent and badass"

"OMG why is Ichigo not doing anything?"



You can't win with haters.



Unfortunately when that does happen, the support cast hold barely any relevance or importance to the plot. Think about it, their importance in every arc is there to take care of the enemy fodder so that Ichigo can take care of the main villain. It's not that there exists a complicated plot that demands their presence in that specific place so as to make them memorable and their efforts meaningful. Which means that taking away plot importance we are left with character portrayal which more often than you and I would like to admit fails miserably, eg Kyoraku got put on the sideline for Nanao's sake... So it's only logical that people would want to see Ichigo, not necessarily for his character but for the sake of plot progression as well as his association with this series' interesting characters (Urahara, Ishida, Aizen etc). But when he marysues his way out of everything people say " I wish things were more complicated and side characters were actually relevant instead of ichigo taking care of everything". I don't see it as hating, I see it as valid critisicm , albeit a bit disguised in an aggressive attitude.

Ohhhh THE PACING!!

ichii_1 said:


He can see the future not the past.

Maybe he saw them blow up but not Ishida setting them.



Actually that's exactly what I meant. If Ishida betrays them at some point shouldn't he  have seen it already?

Kanic said:
ichii_1 said:


He can see the future not the past.

Maybe he saw them blow up but not Ishida setting them.



Actually that's exactly what I meant. If Ishida betrays them at some point shouldn't he  have seen it already?



I doubt he's omnipotent enough to be able to see the entire future otherwise he'll be invincible. At most there must be a limit to how far and how precise he is able to read it.

He cannot see the past so it's impossible for him to know anything Ishida did before Yhwach went to sleep and he probably cannot see the future far enough to know for certain if Ishida is going to betray them.



You can easily deduce that he's foreseen Ishida taking some action outside what he's been ordered to do and it is suspect. In the army, for example, a soldier cannot just go and do whatever he want no matter his intention. That's exactly because Haschwald cannot ascertain Ishida's intention in those potentially dangerous action that he's taking measure against him.



He doesn't know if Ishida is going to betray them but he think he might and that's reason enough to take action.

Ha, typical Kubo hyping us for the glimpse of MC.



I wish Kubo keep up the pace.. there's like 2 battles ongoing and another one probably happening real soon.

Hitsugaya just starting to battle and the manga moves on to show what Ishida's thinking, and about why he gave up being a doctor.



Ichigo bumping into Ishida, who got right-hand man of the enemy in suspicion...

Oh my something happen, and the pacing is good... what? Enjoyed it, hope Kubo won't make them fight or something like that.