Bleach Chapter 455 Discussion
- Thread starter jungie
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- #53
The fight with tsukishima will be awesome. I wait much of the next chapter.
I wonder if all that is not a test for Itchigo, that chapter seems weird.
But I can't believe Tsukishima already lost a arm, he is weaker than I thought, I am sure Inoue will heal him during chad would protect him.
everybody has forgotten Itchigo killed Kariya (the bountos's boss) in the anime, there is always a beginning for something.
- #55
I disagree. To kill someone just because they have usurped your position as a hero? That's so utterly ridiculous and doesn't reflect positively on Ichigo. If this were true, it would only serve to prove that Ichigo is childish and immature and has not grown during his journey of Bleach. In fact, he has just regressed terribly in character and integrity.
NO. its human nature. Every person is hypocrite. Every person is not black and white. Every person is a complex machine ticking towards something and a lot of things can make it break.
It just proves that Ichigo is Human and grasps every straw towards his reason of life.
Avalie said:
Ichigo was not 'hiding behind the power he collected'. You have greatly misunderstood Ichigo entirely from back then. His only power from when he was born until after the death of his mother in all his 15 years, was to be able to see spirits. And it was just that - an idle power which he could not utilise. It was only after the appearance of Rukia which awoke his dormant power was he able to grasp the importance of the power to protect. He wasn't even aware of the potential of his raw power, so how could he be hiding behind them? He declared from the very start the wish to obtain a greater power so he wouldn't need to feel so powerless. He didn't want to hide; he wanted to break out of his shell.
Ding dong you are wrong.
He was always the protector after that accident. He would not smile, but he would get into fights, defending someone. Thats POWER.
I am not talking about placebo that is shinigami powers. Thats not "Power", thats just story tool.
The shelters himself inside that power. Not storyline "power",but power, dominance, the position of being RIGHT. He wants and needs to play the role of a hero. Tsukishima took away that from him
In eyes of everyone Ichigo ever knew, its ICHIGO who is wrong and misguided this time. And thats what takes away his power. he is bare, naked, in front of everyone he knew or cared about and they deem him WRONG. Its only a human nature for him to hate and want to kill Tsukishima.
Avalie said:
Even with a newfound power, he had never wanted to kill - he even felt BAD for killing a hollow until Rukia explained they don't actually 'die'. They were cleansed. Up to the point when Ulquiorra was dying, he expressly said he didn't want to win that way.
Yes. Ichigo loves playing the hero. As I said, thats what makes him go on living, thats what makes him tick. Tsukishima took that away from him.
Avalie said:
For an Ichigo who once lamented he had wanted to protect even the most helpless spirit who has already passed on from the material dimension he lives in, to making a declaration to take Tsukishima's life in cold blood is simply inconsistent of his character and pure inanity on Kubo's part, imo.
Its very consistent and its actually a quite clever character development.
Ichigo bathed in the heroics and Tsukishima forced Ichigo into the negative, villain,insanity role. Its only normal that Ichigo's very being of existance, very psychological basis wants to eradicate Tsukishima - a proof that he is still that vulnerable crying young boy.
Its quite similar to how buffy was developed, after all:
In first few seasons
Buffy pretty much played the hero, justifying her actions, doing heroics, protecting people. But there were always hints at something not right about that.
Eventually with each season,
that mask begins to crack. It becomes clear on that she wants to play the hero as its the only way she can justify her own selfish desires and actions. Every decision she has ever made "for greater good" can be accounted for her selfish wishes.
She pretty much wanted to re-curse Angel in season2, because "it was the right thing to do to save him", but when one thinks about it, she was ready to forget all the death and carnage he caused and just wanted to get back her own beloved, not caring about anyone else.
She went off to kill Faith proclaiming that it is to save life of her love, but when you think about it, deeper, it was because she could not stand Faith - someone who was identical to her in character, but loved embracing the villain role.
It all eventually led to
the whole facade slowly falling down and the most horrible thing to face for her was the fact that she is NOT the person she wanted to present herself as to others. That she is capable and WANTING to do all those "unheroic" things and that it is something she has always had in herself
So yeah, in same sense, Ichigo IS a hypocrite.
He claims to do all this heroic borderline suicidal stuff because of good heart, but really just hides behind it all to live on.
He claimed he wanted to be normal, but he despised, hated and was spiteful towards the normality he obtained and rushed to very first(and very still shady) chance of becoming a power-figure again.
And Tsukishima stripped him of his role. That certainly leads to psychological break down and murderous intent.
- #56
what i am curious about is...where the hell is his father?! I mean seriously he should be there to protect his family if his powers are back. But he is plotting something with Urahara. But even if they are controlled...it's sad Orihime and Chad will fight against Ichigo! I can't wait to read the next chapter~
- #57
Noneliver said:
Okay seriously.... why is Ichigo trying to kill Tsukishima?
Sure he fucked with your life, but from what I remember Ichigo never wanted to kill anyone unless they're hollow (which isn't even killing so much as cleansing their soul)... and now he goes ahead and cuts off his arm... something he only did to Ulquiorra before and even THEN he was being controlled by his inner hollow.
Seriously, Kubo >.>
From the very first moment when Ichigo made his intention clear on killing Tsukishima, I was beyond baffled and thought Kubo has gone off the deep end. Kubo expressly cultivated Ichigo for the past decade in such a way that he, as the main protagonist of Bleach is honourable and would never, ever wish death upon his opponents. Now, Ichigo has basically said it two or three times in the past 5 chapters.
Is Ichigo even likable now?
That, and I can't believe that Ichigo, the person who would gawk and balk at people wearing odd costumes like Don Kanonji, had actually accepted what he himself is wearing now.
Noneliver said:
Okay seriously.... why is Ichigo trying to kill Tsukishima?
Sure he fucked with your life, but from what I remember Ichigo never wanted to kill anyone unless they're hollow (which isn't even killing so much as cleansing their soul)... and now he goes ahead and cuts off his arm... something he only did to Ulquiorra before and even THEN he was being controlled by his inner hollow.
Tsukishima did not just "fuck with his life". He practically took away Ichigo's "hero position", Ichigo needs and prefers to be in. In Ichigo's mind, for Ichigo's continued existance and for Ichigo's "world" to not crumble down, Tsukishima has to disappear.
Since the very first chapter, since the death of his mother, Ichigo is pretty much hiding behind all the power he collects and impression it leaves upon his personal space of known people. tsukishima bassically stripped him naked out of that and he is desperate to get back into position he was.