Mahou Sensei Negima! Chapter 283 Discussion

alexcampos said:
ShiroiRyu said:
Negima is really better than the other "generic" Shonen like Naruto or Bleach.

I can put him near One Piece, FMA or Claymore.

And wow ... Loved what he did at the end ! O_O



REALLY, lets compare and contrast:



Negima: Main character grows stronger and stronger

Bleach & Naruto: Main character grows stronger and stronger



Negima: Evil organization trying to destroy the world

Bleach & Naruto: Evil organization trying to destroy the world



Negima: Never ending story filled with tons of fights

Bleach & Naruto: Never ending story filled with tons of fights



oh wait here's the difference:



Negima: One million middle school girls in ecchi situations

Bleach & Naruto: very low, if any ecchi involved



Sorry, you're absolutely WRONG, Negima has become another generic Shonen, it has for the longest of time. I'm not bashing Negima, in fact its one of my favorite manga, I have no problems reading "generic" shonen manga, I just hoped that Negima would NOT become this, unfortunately it has.



Hm. I disagree on several grounds...



Number one, "Evil organization trying to destroy the world"?

In Naruto, Akatsuki is most definitely not trying to destroy the world, their goals are more complex than that... Bleach, anyone could guess at this point what Aizen's trying to do, last time we checked he said he wanted to become God... Negima, we still don't have enough info to know what anyone's doing yet.



"Never-Ending story filled with tons of fights"?

Lots of fights, yes. I won't dispute that one. Bleach at this point is pretty much an endless match-up manga. But actually, I can see all three series at this point coming to a forseeable end. Probably Bleach is the closest, followed by Naruto and then Negima.



While they all are, as many people put it, "generic shonen manga", I don't think any of them deserve the stereotypes that go along with the title. I read all three series; sure, they're not my favorites, they're not the best manga I've seen. But they're certainly not lousy. Each series has its share of very cool moments, their own art styles, and interesting characters. But all many people see on the surface is "endless-story battle-happy shonen".



This is probably because they're all serialized in magazines that demand an average of 18 pages weekly. Naruto and Bleach are a couple of the most popular manga out there. The books sell millions of copies, as well as the merchandise and anime. So, ultimately, there's gotta be something appealing to the hordes of fans that follow them.



Finally, I don't believe Negima has become a "generic" shonen manga like Bleach or Naruto; while it certainly is popular, it's nowhere near their level in terms of sales or fans. This is partially for the last reason you mentioned; Negima has a high ecchi content, a no-no in very popular shonen magazines. I believe the age ranges for the series, as the publishers have deemed, are; Naruto, 12+ (Shippuden 14+), Bleach 14+, Negima 16+. The more restrictive the audience, the less revenue you get.



In any case, that's about all for my wordy rebuttal.

right, I think I got this all figured out. XP Sorry about the confusion.

That was pretty clever, didn't expect that from Negi

That was a clever idea. Kissing her to see if she's really Asuna.

Never thought that Negi would do something like that O.O



Now that it's been revealed that she's a fake, I wonder how things will go now? And it looks like this girl would go to Negi's side.

Although I really wanted to see Mana just shoot her...Negi's solution was interesting too. What will he do with the extra pactio card now though? :O

Chao-Lingshen said:
Ichijo_feast said:
Well... quite a clever solution to their little stunt-double problem...

(and just to be safe, better double-check all the girls in case of any more imposters... :3)



I do have to say though, I'm a little put off by how conveniently non-fatal and situationally-ineffective guns are in this series... Even if it's "demon-slaying" and "magic-enhanced" and what have you, it should still perform like a normal firearm... and thus be fairly effective at KILLING PEOPLE. Especially if Mana is a sniping-goddess-assassin or whatever.



But we've witnessed her bullets being split in half by a sword in the School Festival arc... That's just a bit too off-the-charts ridiculous for me in any setting...

ah well. -_- (doesn't stop me from loving the series)



Oh gawd if Negi couldn't tank a bullet easely he would have been dead from the first punch Rakan threw at him.



Average mage would have took a hard hit tough. And it isn't ridiculous that her bullet got cutted off, being a master sniper doesn't make your bullet harder or anything, of course they can be blocked otherwhise mana would be able to handle fate by herself. Mana is strong, about the same as Kaede, the reason why she seem a little superior to Kaede is that she is always going full out even in mock fight, the real duel in the festival arc resulted as a draw. She's probably the strongest in Negi class but still is far from Negi's level.



Actually, Eva is the strongest in Negi's class, and even stronger than Negi himself, though Negi has gotten insanely strong himself. ;)

then negi is gonna Die like a arem manga, no like a shonen?

Chao-Lingshen said:
alexcampos said:
Chao-Lingshen said:
alexcampos said:


So, why am I upset at Negima?  Because this IMO isn't how Negima should be. I'm all for a complex plot, but LETS BE HONEST, the majority of people still read Negima for its ecchi content and because they want to see "who Negi will choose".





What, are you retarded? From all the negima fan I know none read it for these reason, do not bring what you think as a fact.





alexcampos said:


If you don't believe me, JUST LOOK at the clubs and the discussion threads, maybe I'm wrong but the majority talk about pairings, ecchi moments and other comedy romance topics.



Sorry but no. Just to state a fact: There's way more talking about Naruto or Bleach pairing than there is about Negima. Your argument is useless because fan tend to pair character up even when there is no romance or anything involved for their own delusion which is pretty much retarded.





OK, first of all, Never did I offend anyone while making my comments, unlike you I was simply trying to make a debate about this manga, which BTW I already mentioned is ONE OF MY FAVORITE MANGA.



Second of all, the reason why Naruto and Bleach get so much talk about pairing is because they are the two most popular manga here in MAL, NOT because that's how the manga is.



Also unlike you, I did research this stuff, I'm not making it up as I go along. Here is what I found:



Right here in MAL, GO TO THE  Negima club, it is a combination of the anime and manga fan club. They currently has 1685 members.



You will notice that some of the bigger discussions are: "who will marry Negi", "fav moments", and "what hooked you onto Negima".



Inside these threads you will see the type of answers that are supporting what I am saying. Many people state the comedic side of the story as the answer to "what hooked you onto Negima" and in "fav moments" many pick either comedic or romantic events from either the anime or manga.



ALSO, I have already created a discussion thread right here in the manga discussions, that address this issue, I hope to receive a good size sample of how people look at Negima and what their priorities lie in.



FINAL WORD:  I TRULY APPRECIATE the Negima manga, as of today it remains as one of my favorite shonen/romance comedy manga. I was only stating what I believe, and my personal views of how this manga has transformed in the last years.



I never said that you didn't apreciated it, stop acting like a child almost crying everytime someone say something against you ;).



I don't want to sound mean but most of MAL comunity is retarded and is not a good sample, you can't say that something is true because it is true on MAL. I never said you are before you take that to heart and start typing a tl;dr post like you seem to love to pull off.

Get out of America and actually research what's going on into Japan ._. Just take a quick tour of the doujin circle in a comiket and you'll understand my point.



WOW, first you insult me, then you throw "most of the MAL community" under the bus because THEY DON'T AGREE WITH YOU.



I think the "MAL community" is actually a good sample, this isn't the only issue I've had with manga or anime, I've conducted polls in other anime/manga discussions and I've received very good and comprehensive comments that are coherent and shows that the person commenting is "well informed".



Besides you're lying to yourself if you truly believed that the majority of people in MAL are "retarded", why do you have over 1500 posts?!?!



Do you enjoy discussing with these "retards"?



Actually you're very similar to myself, YOU DON'T LIKE BEING WRONG, and you'll keep going until you've proven your point.