D.Gray-man Chapter 245 Discussion

Where is Allen adult form?



We finally found out who has the potential to be the heart

That glimpse of what Maria was in life is probably the most interesting thing to happen in the manga recently. She's so important to Cross he decided to spare Red when she told him to let him live.



Apocryphos's words at the end show how fucked the situation was for Allen/Red from the beginning. Too bad we have to wait till october for another chapter that will cause more questions and few answers.

Great chapter, i think the flashback is finally end and the next chapter i think we return to the present time

The biggest mystery to me is still about the night where Allen called Mana's soul to become an akuma... That's what I'm dying to see with new perspectives!

But I guess we aren't gonna get it yet, and it is Mana who will probably explain us by the end of the story if he somewhat recovers his memory (or Road, or Cross when we see him again). Because Allen is definitly lost between what's true and what isn't, it won't come from him... We all are lost.

And Apocryphos is still too much enigmatic to me, I won't jump in to conclusions to say that Allen is the Heart, I've got a feeling that the Heart (who ever gave orders to Apocryphos) needs him. Okay Apocyrphos is an autonomus Innocence, but I think that he's some sort of golem which means he was manufactured by an important person of the Church, not even an exorcist in the legal aspect of things (with the coat, autorisations on paper to go on missions, but someone free to do whatever they want because no one can confront their ideas/orders) necessary. He doesn't have the biggest position in it, he serves it, he's a soldier (kind of like a Terminator).



EDIT: I re-read the chapter and indeed it sounds like Allen is the Heart... (I'd prefer if it wasn't the protagonist like we thought for so many years through Hoshino's indications, because why nobody detected it? Hevlasaka? Needed Mana to trigger and unlock the Heart mode, for it to be detected? Because Neah reincarnated in him and has special powers/synchronisation with the Earl which makes this possible or because he's half-Noah and half-Innocence possessor?)

Anime_Guy219 said:
I just caught up. So when do new chapters usually come out?



Tri-monthly due to the authors health issues. I’d suggest rereading the last few chapters every once in a while so you’re not completely lost when new chapters come out.

What a chapter this was man that whole scene of kid Allen situation then Maria's importance for Marian and looks like Marian has strong connection with Campbell family and Maria can be one of the members of it too but gosh the ending of this chapter blow everything away and the art is just brilliant, sadly we have to wait for another 3 month gap for new chapter...

my poor boy allen sadge so now its confirmed allen has heart ? Why didn't  apocryphos killed him that time ? also i think this chapter has the scene where allen's last memory of mana ended of him becoming akuma from the initial chapters  

I just caught up. So when do new chapters usually come out?

Waiting till it's finished...

Allen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allen in such a miserable situation.

Sw3at said:
galaxynolight said:
Sw3at said:
The biggest mystery to me is still about the night where Allen called Mana's soul to become an akuma... That's what I'm dying to see with new perspectives!

But I guess we aren't gonna get it yet, and it is Mana who will probably explain us by the end of the story if he somewhat recovers his memory (or Road, or Cross when we see him again). Because Allen is definitly lost between what's true and what isn't, it won't come from him... We all are lost.

And Apocryphos is still too much enigmatic to me, I won't jump in to conclusions to say that Allen is the Heart, I've got a feeling that the Heart (who ever gave orders to Apocryphos) needs him. Okay Apocyrphos is an autonomus Innocence, but I think that he's some sort of golem which means he was manufactured by an important person of the Church, not even an exorcist in the legal aspect of things (with the coat, autorisations on paper to go on missions, but someone free to do whatever they want because no one can confront their ideas/orders) necessary. He doesn't have the biggest position in it, he serves it, he's a soldier (kind of like a Terminator).



EDIT: I re-read the chapter and indeed it sounds like Allen is the Heart... (I'd prefer if it wasn't the protagonist like we thought for so many years through Hoshino's indications, because why nobody detected it? Hevlasaka? Needed Mana to trigger and unlock the Heart mode, for it to be detected? Because Neah reincarnated in him and has special powers/synchronisation with the Earl which makes this possible or because he's half-Noah and half-Innocence possessor?)

I don't think someone really try to check allen innocence throughly, i think because we doesn't know enough about allen power,i don't think we even know in exacly why allen power transform from a anti akuma arm to crown clown, I'll sure that allen don't really know about all of power in him

Same goes with Lenalee (who we thought was the Heart at first) and Kanda tho, Innocence evolves after going above its limits...

we know that it's crystal innocence, but with allen we don't know what crown clown is really, i don't think hevlaska check it or can check it

exacky because innocence evolves after going above its limits, i think because only in this arc we really know about the past of allen and we discovered a lot about him, we don't know enough about allen power for determine if crown clown is the final form of the innocence, because of this and because crown clown is the innocence that we don't know all about him, it is possible crown clown is a result of the other ability of allen innocence and not the real power of allen, also the evolves of lenalee and kanda happen in different shape from allen innocence that change the abilities of the innocence completely different from the first, and in kanda and lenalee the innocence doesn't change compeletely the ability, lenalee still use boots and kanda still use sword, but allen doesn't have the

anti akuma arm.

i think perhaps from the point that aprocryphos reveal were the point that hinted allen is the holder of the heart because why aprocryphos try to became one with alllen and not a other  innocence holder?