Gintama Chapter 661 Discussion

GoldenDevilGamer said:
TogameCheerio said:
I'm not buying this "Gintoki can keep up because he's Utsuro's student!" excuse which was stated back in the Farewell Shinsengumi Arc. But it's one of several clear evidences that Katsura and Takasugi are about to join somehow and the three of them take him down.But it does make sense though. Since Gintoki is used to Shoyo's fighting style, he can predict Utsuro's moves better. But still, he's not strong enough to defeat him. The only way Utsuro can be beaten is if they cut the Earth's Altana sources so he won't regenerate. That would make every damage implemented on Utsuro count.



Well, it doesn't make sense to me, because it should go both ways. Utsuro also knows the fighting style of Gintoki. Utsuro's style isn't some cheap trickery that can be countered with familiarity, his prowess rather stems from an incredible speed, power, and perception. So being his student shouldn't magically offset the massive disparity. Keep in mind that Gintoki is also injured and exhausted.



This is reminding me of the nonsense from Fairy Tail where Wendy's enchantment magic served to cancel out someone who is far and away above her level. Just because two users employ the same style/magic type doesn't mean it can offset the difference in their proficiency/capabilities in the field. And again, it goes both ways... Why is being his student an advantage to Gintoki and not to Utsuro? Why is Wendy's enchantment an advantage to Wendy and not her opponent?



Then again, Utsuro seems to be too familiar with all fighting styles due to living long, so whoever fights against him without fully knowing his style may find themselves in an unfair disadvantage that makes the disparity greater than it actually is. I guess it isn't all that bad when you take that into account.

TogameCheerio said:
I'm not buying this "Gintoki can keep up because he's Utsuro's student!" excuse which was stated back in the Farewell Shinsengumi Arc. But it's one of several clear evidences that Katsura and Takasugi are about to join somehow and the three of them take him down.But it does make sense though. Since Gintoki is used to Shoyo's fighting style, he can predict Utsuro's moves better. But still, he's not strong enough to defeat him. The only way Utsuro can be beaten is if they cut the Earth's Altana sources so he won't regenerate. That would make every damage implemented on Utsuro count.

oiseau_solitaire said:


I know :( but this is turning into a massacre and I don't know what to expect xd The problem is the altana, he is indestructible while he is on earth :/



I'm pretty sure he knew it, this bastard...

This final arc / battle is too long.



Don't worry, nobody is dead. It's a shonen =]

TogameCheerio said:
I'm not buying this "Gintoki can keep up because he's Utsuro's student!" excuse which was stated back in the Farewell Shinsengumi Arc. But it's one of several clear evidences that Katsura and Takasugi are about to join somehow and the three of them take him down.



Actually it is simple. I mean yes normally Utsuro should have that advantage as well. But then again, Gintoki developed his own Style. As mentioned in Yagyuu Arc.

And Shoyo even said that he doesn´t want to teach him his Style. Which means Shoyo/Utsuro doesn´t know Gintokis Style.

So since Utsuro never saw Gintoki developing his Style he doesn´t have that adavantage like Gintoki



It is that easy actually.

oiseau_solitaire said:
[...] where is Asaemon when we need her to cut that crow's head? and where is Takasugi?[...]





The problem is, you can cut any parts of him, it's gonna regenerate and it won't keep him away from fighting and slicing.



Takasugi is badly wounded and i don't think we will see him again before he's truly well enough. And to be honest, i think we've seen enough of the fights from the space. But yeah, i want to see him/them  again back on earth as soon as possible.

wtf

<< what the actual fuck (my face)





We were just joking about Gorilla-sensei killing everyone at the end of Gintama



don't tell me he's actually gonna do it.



holy shit.



the people starting this manga from chapter 1 would've never guessed this hellshow the manga has become.



wtf.

What a frustrating chapter! though I think that's the whole point.



It looks like everyone is working together to defeat Utsuro however He is Unbelievably too powerful right now!  Most of the Shinsengumi is down, Kamui got no moves and Umi have no ammos left.  we'll have to wait for the Joui members to take a two or three beatings against that monster and I can Imagine Yorozuya/Gin giving the final blow.