Ichigo 100% Chapter 167 Discussion

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  • #82
This might be a rare case wherein your run-of-the-mill, indecisive, average-looking yet chick-magnet MC, had chosen without a doubt the best girl from his harem.



I mean, at the end of the day it all really went down between Nishino and Aya, while the other girls were just there to I guess keep stuff interesting. Satsuki is an interesting one because even though she is more fleshed out as a character compared to someone like the loli on the cram school or the imouto, we know for a fact that she still had 0 chance with the MC if their personalities will be considered (her being direct with her feelings and the harem MC with his usual indecisiveness).



Somewhere near the final chapters, I really thought that JunpeixNishino would be over once she fly off to France as now he has an excuse to settle for his second choice which is Aya. Even though Aya deserved to be happy with someone that she loved, I'm glad that the story still went the Nishino route because she had the most romantic development with the MC compared to the other girls. And I would be really pissed off if by any chance he dumps Nishino again with the "he finally realized the one he truly loved" cliche.



No matter how many unnecessary panty shots were there or if you thought he chose the wrong girl at the end, this was still a pretty solid light-hearted, teen romcom in my opinion. And even though there were some stuff that were suddenly forgotten such as Yui during the last one or two volumes, or Junpei not providing a response to Mukai's confession, I still enjoyed the hell out of this manga and consider it one of my favorites.
 
  • #83
Ichigo 100% is my first ever manga that I read. It was really my types of manga that I wanted to read. It has given me a Lott of joy reading this manga. However in the end, it didn't bring me up to a satisfaction and left me disappointed instead. As, i dont wish to agree with other people's thoughts saying, "it was a perfect ending or whatever" .

Honestly, the last part of the story totally made my interest lost. But I have my own explanation too.

Yeah, I may say that It was the mistake of Toujou that she didn't make it clear enough to speak out that she was gonna attend that Love Scantuary event with her brother when Amachi (with Manaka beside) asked her who is the guy that she'd be attending that programme with.

And that was the critical time for Manaka because Nishino has already asked him out and on top of that he was thunderstrucked to hear that Toujou is going to attend love scantuary with another guy. (Besides, Manaka without a second thought simply thought that that guy must be Toujou boyfriend). It was a turning point when Manaka saw Nishino at his lowest time because he wanted someone to lean on. (And I won't explain the rest because u know already)

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Shit, I'm only explaining about the stories without giving my reasons. Sorry hehe..



Anyways, my reasons are simple. Its not because of Toujou great looks that I'm in pain now. But Toujou was the girl whom Manaka 1st realized that sheZ her dream girl that he saw in his dreams. Toujou was the reason that Manaka broke up with Nishino. Besides Toujou was the one in Manaka's mind all time to make his, until he found that she is going out to love scantuary with other guy (whom Manaka thought its Toujou's boyfriend).

Also in the end we could see that Toujou & Manaka was something like linked together, "toujou was not able to write good novel without Manaka support. & Manaka was not able to make good movie without toujou script".

And for all the Nishino fans. I must say Toujou has more feeling towards Manaka because altough Nishino was Manaka girlfriend, Toujou was the one in the story who appeared more in Manaka's life.

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I thought Nishino and Manaka broke up before Nishino went to Paris in the airport. And I was so happy. But I got it wrong.

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So I'm sorry to say this but Manaka was a shithead after all in the endwith his decision . And I'm a total huge fan of Toujou character BTW. But if u judge my explanations that I'm supporting Toujou due to her physical appearance. Yeah, I'll profoundly say yes to it. But what attracted me the most toward her was her was of personality to handle heavy situations in an easy manner with a smile.
 
  • #84
Actually if we objectively saw manga, only Junpei x Nishino which got proper development.  Other pair development stuck in friendship zone or turn into fan-service, so mangaka just chose the most developed pair to avoid abrupt ending like Family Compo.
 
  • #85
Really good ending. I think it's a good thing he ended up with Nishino and not Toujou.
 
  • #86
It was actually a fun ride imo although fairly predictable. I wish Satsuki won in the end though but oh well...it was inevitable. And also, has Manaka been hitting the gyms a lot? LOL.
 
  • #87
I've been reading manga for about 2 years, and for this is the most memorable one of them all. When it ended, I felt sorrow for Aya...and after thinking it over for a while I felt very glad for Junpei.



To me, Tsusak Nishino was a very unusual woman, and due to the length of this manga and the talent of the mangaka we actually saw her become that.  I see this as a case of a somewhat bumbling guy finding just by chance the very best life companion he could ever hope to meet. The long course of development which made this girl who at first seemed merely beautiful into a prematurely mature woman with very good judgment, infinite patience and forebearance, and a terrific sense of loyalty--and which made Junpei that bumbler into a person mature enough to understand her value, it's really something! I can summarize it, but I could never have imagined or written it.



I felt after reading this manga that the author was a master storyteller and a hell of a lot smarter than me. If you love stories, there's really no experience better than that.
 
  • #88
thaumx said:

I read this whole series inside a week, I tried to pace myself, in order to pay attention to details. The big attraction for this manga seemed to be simply not knowing what was going to happen with the main plot. (That should have been a clue, now that I think about it.) I wanted to take my time, and follow the different threads of the story, similarly to the way you pay attention to a mystery. Enjoy the suspense, try and figure it out, and delight in the ending.



This manga is definitely memorable. It was definitely interesting to find out what was going to happen from chapter to chapter. The author introduced many events that both built the characters, and left you guessing. Eventually though, the story really seemed to stretch on. The different events that kept you guessing became superfluous, and seemed more and more like a way to drag on the story. Eventually, the author started to add in events that were contradictory or that hurt the plot as a whole. It seems there's pressure to continue a popular, or even successful story as long as possible.



You can easily determine the area of the story where the focus changed from "drag this on, and keep them confused about the outcome" to "conclude the story quickly as popularity is falling" This was prior to the time of the senior year festival. (I'd have to re-read to find out exactly when, but I suspect right after the summer filming trip.)



The problem is, the author dug several holes for herself, and had to bend things to conclude the plot. I strongly suspect that character popularity data could have been involved in the author making her choice, and possibly the urge to make the ending surprising for the readers. If this were a typical manga story, Toujou would have ended up with Manaka. The fact that it was different counts as a surprise. I'm not opposed to this, and think it's refreshing to see a non-typical, or especially more realistic ending. (someone as shy, closed up, and self-sabotaging as Toujou wouldn't get the guy in a real situation, unless the guy was such a loser that he had zero other options.)



The problem I have is that the author sabotaged Nishino, starting early in the plot, in the typical "best seeming girl actually has lots of bad points" style. He did avoid making most of them personality flaws though. Furthermore, while a great character person by the end, it wasn't a realistic choice based on the personality built up for Junpei. (A person who has a hard time deciding on things, a hard time moving his own life forward, and someone with as many self confidence issues as Junpei has, would likely go for the more "sure" option of Satsuki.)



So yeah, the ending surprised me. I admit Aya was who I expected for the ending though not my favorite character. But I really didn't expect a Nishino ending, even after they got back together as BF/GF. (which was really pathetic, the way Manaka basically ended up accepting by default, which turned out to be poor writing, rather than a plot point.) To be clear, I don't mind that it was Nishino in the end, I just thought the writing to do it was poor. The Sabotaging of the Nishino option throughout the story also wasn't properly cleared up. (Just a few examples,  breaking her promise to go to the same school, remaining undecided about her feelings (in different ways) for much of the plot, choosing to leave Junpei for France, showing only marginal interest in Junpei's dreams/desires)



at one point, I actually thought that the cram-school girl was a more likely surprise-twist ending than Nishino.



Nishino - Has a reason to love Junpei, because he helped her find her dream, and supported her going after it. She really didn't help him towards his dream, though she occasionally showed an interest or expressed some encouragement. (Mostly due to "keep things interesting" moments the author threw in.) She isn't a childish character, but she also leans towards the selfish side in several cases. She also made it pretty clear that her wants and dreams were more important to her than Junpei. (also... 4 years, and it seemed she didn't visit him? the last scene gave the impression that they hadn't really stayed in touch... wish that had been expounded on.)



Toujou - She loves him because he was the first to recognize her, and to value her, despite her appearance and introversion. He helped her to change and gain friends as well. The supported each others dreams, and actively helped each other. He helped her write, and she helped him film, and they shared a lot of passion where their dreams overlapped. In the end though, she constantly sabotaged herself by giving the impression she didn't like Junpei, and by clamming up and not talking to him when something slightly difficult came along. She went years without confessing. While she might have been written as the "soul mate" character for Junpei, it's perfectly realistic that they didn't end up together. At least Junpei gave her the final push to continue with her dream before abandoning her. She seems to be doing okay though, and she is living her dream.



Satsuki - Probably the most supportive of Junpei. She has one of the less obvious reasons for liking Junpei, but it's pretty easy to attribute it to compatibility and chemistry. She supported Junpei the entire story, in the day to day life matters that are often glossed over in this sort of story. She also helped him towards his dream the best way she could, and encouraged him as well. She's not the smart-talented type that has a lofty dream, but she's pretty clear about making her dream to support Junpei and his dream. She's the only character that was consistently there for him, and the one who showed she cared the most. She understood his weaknesses, and unlike other options, was willing to accept them. In the end though, her lack of a distinct dream other than supporting Junpei seemed to be her downfall. I think using seduction to get a man is probably somewhat taboo in japan, so that didn't help.



Toujou has that soul-mate power that imagination can use to say "they're destined to be together" so a long term relationship could be possible. It seems that the co-mingled dreams are realistically a pretty tenuous connection. Satsuki is the one who Junpei had the best chance of realistically having a long relationship with. She was devoted to him as a person, and the difficulties of life would be survivable. Nishino is great, but it's also very difficult to imagine them having a long happy relationship together, or even get married. They love each other, but their dreams will pull in opposite directions, and neither are really the type to give up their dreams for the other person. It's easy to see the difficulties of real life pulling them apart. I really like her though, It's nice to see a strong female character who puts her dreams, rather than love, first. They just don't match that well.



GAH... I guess this thing got me worked up enough to type a freaking novel... which is it's own sort of greatness... 8/10



That's one of the best wall of text that i've ever read in MAL <3
 
  • #89
Not sure I see the point of developing a character like Aya for her to lose in the end but Nishino grew from a random girlfriend into something pretty close.



Dont like how the MC used 2 other girls for so long before making his choice. One never stood a chance and the other was prepared to make sacrifices to study with him at university.



Dont understand how people can criticise Aya for not being forward enough (as if it's a race) but are ok with this guy taking so long to make his mind up and even getting jealous when guys approached the other girls. That's unforgivable. And if being forward is what matters, no one beats Satsuki. I can appreciate how he grew with someone he couldn't even talk to at the beginning and she really started to understand him. But I dont accept writing that leaves 2 characters on standby while mc takes an eternity to sort out his feelings. Why did he compete with Amachi? Why didn't he steer clear of Satsuki like he said he would? You are meant to work these things out before you engage with people, not string everyone along and waste their time while you work out your own indecision. He took some of the best years of their lives away and knew the other two liked him. When he almost kisses Aya in Kyoto, from then on it is decision time. He should only be pursuing one relationship until that one fails or he changes his mind. He always knew he liked two people especially at the same time. His behaviour is totally unreasonable.



Funny enough, Amachi, who is portrayed as a total idiot, at least tried to do the right thing by distancing himself from other girls who liked him and trying to concentrate on the one he liked the most. Seems strange that the author decided to have things turn out this way.
 
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