Fairy Tail Chapter 451 Discussion

I see. Unlimited Chakra, huh?



Nooo. Don't tell me, this arc will end the Fairy Tail?

Crescentgenisi said:
My questions are:



1. How did Zeref arrive on tenroy crying 100 years later?



2. What is the one magic? Etherion? Eternal Magic? Life? So confused.



3. Where is Gildarts/Achnologia/Jellal?



4. And why did such an amazing backstory have such an underwhelming ending?







1. Zeref went to Tenru himself after Mavis died as a form of self banishment, in order to protect the world from himself, it´s only mentioned briefly though.



2. One magic isn´t Fairy heart Fairy heart≠ One magic.

For some reason Hiro doen´t use the term Mana which makes it confusing when he makes a character say, I don´t have any more magic,or in this case infinite magic, he means the characters is out of mana. For some reason he refuses to just use the term Mana like everyone else does, probably to avoid to showcase how RPG based Fairy Tail is.



Fairy Heart= infinite Mana supply=allows infinite usage of Etherion for example, as the chapter explains. It could allow Cana for example to use an infinite raining Fairy Glitter.



3.Being out of the story for convenience sake because he´d be probably imbalancing the powerscales more than he already did. His power is also fairly boring to write since it consists of 1hit Ko´s or punches./Flying around till plot demands hiim to make a move/ Is a secondary character, he´s the one who ordered Sorano/Angel, so he´ll appear when the plot demands it.Don´t forgett the focus is Fairy Tail.



4. Because it´s Hiro Mashima that´s how he usually writes his arcs, with exceptions.

My questions are:



1. How did Zeref arrive on tenroy crying 100 years later?



2. What is the one magic? Etherion? Eternal Magic? Life? So confused.



3. Where is Gildarts/Achnologia/Jellal?



4. And why did such an amazing backstory have such an underwhelming ending?

I hope this isn't the last arc...

Can Natsu really defeat Zeref? if Zeref told Natsu that he is his brother would he still be able to kill him?

Isterio said:
metsujin said:




When Silver said he self taught devil slayer, pretty sure he learn it from a book or something... same with Chelia, she learned god slaying magic from a book... Orga too probably.



I don't think Natsu fought demons in his training, but if he reveals what he's hiding under those bandages, we might get to see what he did in his training...



I still don't think it's possible for him to learn another magic like that... There are people in the FT verse who have 2 different kind of magic, but they're not alike, as in not slayer based magic or something like that. Mira has her satan soul but can also transform. Panther Lily can use aria (the wings exceeds use to fly) and can tranform into a muscular version of him etc... Natsu basically needs to learn 2 lost magics... I don't see that happening. Even Ultear knows a lost magic but knows ice make magic as well... see where I'm getting at?



Let me ask you then, what would be a satisfying answer to you?

I definetely would hate the kick ass magic, but it´s Hiro and anything goes.



Demon Slayer magic could somewhat be explained, what would your approach/prediction be?



If it's explained I wouldn't mind, but if it's like "Random ass magic" or something I'll probably dislike it.

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Star-Angel said:
Now that I think about it, don't Fairy Heart and the flashback of when Zeref first created END look similar? I mean, they were both inside lacrima. And not really alive or dead, I think. Hard to say for END, but still.

I'm excited that we finally get to figure out what's up with Natsu's arm. We all know we've been waiting for it. Though the way Natsu revealed it was a bit disappointing. *shrugs* Oh well, that's Natsu for you.



And btw i predict zeref didnt create END 400 years ago. I mean when he met mavis 300 years ago he didnt mention anything that can kill him . he said he created magical beings called Eterious that surpasses human ..... so i think and predict he created END after he suffered the loss of his love being taken away as his final art so that it can kill him when time is right....... i guess he preserved his body but made him etherious afterward.



Except Atlas Flame said Igneel fought END 400 years ago? forget that?



Hmm i forgot that point. I take back what i said ......



And there is one thing that is weird in FT right now is END itself. I mean 1. The END book 2. Natsu's baby body in lacrima 3. Natsu in fairy tail .......  



how can natsu be in a lacrima as a child version and and adult version in guild  at same time . i get END book is his etherious form ..... And we saw natsu in fairy tail guild from child to grown up . If this natsu in guild is real who is in the lacrima that zeref have ???



There's a lot of theories that can be made since in the flashback with Zeref's life is that he'll talk about it some other time, including Natsu's encounter with Igneel and probably his battle with him as well..



If I had my guess, Zeref wanted Igneel to train Natsu as both Etherious and dragonslayer in which both based on same elements, fire. A strongest demon and a dragonslayer under the teachings of a dragon king was something Acnologia doesn't have which still boggles up the power scale of END. But over the past chapters. Acnologia wanted to destroy the book which means END is somehow a threat to him despite an apocalyptic dragon.



Anyway, it's just a guess. No one really knows until the whole manga progressed more.



Igneel couldnt defeat END . So that means they were enemies not student and teacher.. :3



Like a stalemate you mean... But who knows... So if they really fought, Igneel couldn't defeat a tiny Natsu-turned Etherious back then? I'mma lol'd myself if it does happen. Just a speculation though, Maybe Igneel couldn't bring to kill Natsu since he was like... a kid 400 years ago. he couldn't have grown in to an adult right away right? XD

So, Hades coming in contact with eternity magic inspired him to go after the one magic. And the reason this happened was because of pure coincidence that he was standing in front of the guild at that momment all alone. Could have just as well been someone else....



And they had a ressurection lachryma crystal in the basement just in case......



And Zeref didn't feel that Mavis was alive?



And Eternity magic just popped up in the basement? Conveniently after Zeref went away and not right in front of him. I get that the explanation will be something along the lines of love and friendship that created eternity magic but...bleh....



And fairy heart being your standard infinite ammo is incredibly anti-climactic.



Are the dragons even relevant at this point?



And even though Natsu's secret right-arm technique is relevant to END(no doubt) the way he presents it is.....reminiscent of....well...everything that is wrong with Natsu. "Dont worry, I'm natsu, I got this."(Is anybody going to slap him in the face and say "He's Zeref you know, no you don't got this." ?)