Vampire Knight Chapter 91 Discussion

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Orulyon said:
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Sorry, but it will not make sense if the main character and the one that the manga drives its title from will die a tragic death after centuries of lonliness and sufferring. With Yuuki knowing that the man that she loves is going to die for her sake, I can only see her trying her damnest to save him. It's also likely that Zero will end up lending her a hand. The charcater development that I can see Zero getting before the end of the series is him getting over his hatred of the pureblood and learning to co-exist with them.



I expect two endings: one in which Zero sacrifices himself to convey he hates neitehr Kaname or Yuuki, or the three of them suviving and learning to co-exist with one another.



First of all, no one forced Kaname to choose this path, he choose it because he wants it. Surely he suffered some hundreds of years but then he was asleep and had the chance to had a new life which was destroyed by Rido that killed his family. It was unfair, I know. But still, It makes more sense if he dies because that´s what he has been wanting for a long time. Yuuki´s words in previous chapter clearly hint that Kaname is tired. He clearly thinks that he should lend a hand to hunters by becoming a weapon like the ancestress, but mostly, he is doing it because he wants to.

Now I do not wish Kaname to die, in fact I stated before that I think its ridiculous. If he swore to live with Yuuki to the eternity, since only a pureblood is able to live that long, he should keep his promise. He should give himself a chance to be happy forever and to make her happy too.



Sure he has been lonely and suffering for much more time than Zero but there is a difference: Zero was not indirectly responsible for his family´s death, in fact, Zero PROTECTED his family (Yuuki) while Kaname was the responsible for the murder of Zero´s family, so why the hell would Zero "sacrifice himself to convey he hates neither Kaname or Yuuki"?!!! Zero did more good to Kaname than Kaname ever did to him, so at the end, he would still die for him?!!! What is the sense in that?

One thing is Zero dying to protect Yuuki, now If Zero tried to die for Kaname that would make him a stupid character plus would you die to protect the accomplice of the one who murdered your parents? I wouldnt. Even if that guy was a good person and mostly not after "raising" his sister. Zero has done good enough already and Zero also helped a lot of humans by killing Level-E.

Zero took Yuuki under his protection and if he wanted to payback, he would do the same as Kaname and when Yuuki was hurt, simply watch her die without helping her. Kaname does not know the pain of losing the most important person to you in the world, for he, thanks to Zero did not lose his sister, but Zero LOST HIS TWIN BROTHER. guess who was involved again That surely is more painful than losing a thousand ancestresses. Kaname watched the people he loved being killed but never had to help taking their lives like Zero, who had to suck the blood of his dying brother in his arms and carrying that burden forever. THAT I call painful and it can be more painful than having hundreds of years of humans badmouthing you and expelling you from their villages.

Kaname´s parents and the ancestress had a clean, painless death. Zero´s parents were murdered in front of his eyes, he was bitten to become what he hated the most and he had his brother dying slowly in a pool of blood agonizing in his arms. Kaname also does not know that feeling.



So in the end I would say that Kaname´s suffering never was and it will never be bigger than Zero´s, sorry. At best, they´re equal...



and what Yuuki bitch does in the day of Ichiru´s death? Leaves with her lover, leaving her best friend with his dead brother in his arms alone in the moment he needed her the most



If the three of them survive fine. If not, Zero MUST live. He is 18 years old, Kaname lived thousands. Ok he suffered hundreds, true, and its not fair, but it was not Zero who caused his misfortune, while Kaname is greatly responsible for Zero´s misfortune. Kaname helped humans? yes he did and they were monsters to him. But he never helped Zero, only harmed him, he harmed in the worst way the only human who always protected his most treasured person...is that a way to say "thanks?"

Its like you have two persons in a room that survived a massacre and then you say "kill the grandchild because his grandfather suffered all his life, so let the grandpa live and the child atone for hating the grandpa. Aleluia".  



What makes you think that "Vampire Knight" is Kaname? Kaname has been portrayed as "king" since the very beggining while Zero has been portrayed as the "knight" of the "king and queen" who exists to protect them, like in chess, Kaname´s favorite game. VK´s last volume cover features Zero and Yuuki...isnt it Zero who is the knight? not to mention the hints during the manga:

Knight in chess is represented by the horse. We see Zero in the first chapters always with his horse Lily. We see Kaname´s official drawings with him always holding the "king" piece of chess & Zero wearing chains in his neck that greatly resemble a horse´s curb chains. It makes more sense to me that Zero is the Vampire Knight and if not, then Matsuri Hino is a great troll...



Anyway, nothing in this manga makes sense anymore, for  LONG long time.

Yuuki is the one who should die for being so useless, indecisive, bratty, arrogant and being protected by two men during 18+ volumes.





EDIT: And Now that I finally read the translated chapter it is very clear that Kaname is tired of living. Completely obvious, really.



Nice interpretation of Zero being the Knight . I agree with you on one thought that Zero should definitely not die .

As to the question of who suffered more is personal ( imo , Kaname has suffered more he appears like a person too tired to go on whereas Zero has some vitality so he can (if he chooses) turn over a new leaf and make his life better .



I don't like Yuuki but I definitely do not hate her . She has gone through a lot in a short amount of time so let's not blame her for being fickle but if she goes back to Zero now (After an apparently final decision to be with Kaname) I would be disappointed in her and Hino .



I just want this manga to end as less painfully as possible (lol) (not for the characters but for me) .

Otherwise it will feel like I've wasted so many years on vk .
 
  • #19
Lalalandzz said:




3) What I see: ' Kaname: "...You're more suited to be under the sunlight."

Yuuki: "That's...something for me to decide Kaname!" blah blah blah and many more like "I want to stay as a vampire" '

What I feel: WTF? Oh hell hello?! Are you having an amnesia? Do any of these lines sound familiar to you? "...Stop it...", "I won't forgive you...", "Stop it Yuuki", "Don't steal her from me...!" How dare you! I don't even think you deserve a right to say anything since you just erased Zero's memories two chapters ago. Don't you think he want to keep his memories as well? Seriously, I want to rip my hairs out!

I don't think I have ever got so pissed reading a manga panel, the gall!!!!
 
  • #20
HayasakaShion said:
Lalalandzz said:
Seriously, I want to LMAO at the irony of this chapter. I mean Hino-sensei swings to ZeroxYuki by the end of this chapter again? We just experienced KanamexYuuki last chapter and now this? It sickens me. I think Hino-sensei should've known by now that the readers have (tolerated) enough of this already and that any more fan-service won't do her any good as there're only two chapters left. (THANK GOD! *tears of absolute happiness*) It's fine as long as she uses this method a few times but since god know when it has been too (god damn) frequent and eventually reduces the interest readers hold on to this series.



Another thing is what is the point of our dear Zero losing his memories in the first place if he's going to regain them THIS quick? (I guess because there're only two chapters left to go?) To me, what Yuuki did is rather pointless. IDK everything seem so rush like how Sara was stabbed and died, period. Sometimes I just really don't know (what's the point or) where this story is heading to anymore as there're too many plot holes, trolling and both characters development and other characters involvement are very limited. As far as I could remember, the only reason I still read this is for the sake of Zero's happiness but it seem Hino-sensei wants to torture him until the end with one of the most _________ (*cough* put all negative adjectives you can ever think of here *cough*) heroine. Three main things I noticed about her actions in this chapter...



1) What I see: Yuuki tried to change Kaname to human.

What I feel: Oh yeah sure Kaname won't even notice what you're trying to do as you're straddling and caressing him on the bed while he was sleeping like that. I believe purebloods usually have sharp senses but don't worry Yuuki, I guess this time it's exceptional. ;D



2) What I see: ' Kaname: "Yuuki, stay here. I'll go...They've sent lots of their servants here."

Yuuki: "I'll go. You're their target..." '

What I feel: Are you kidding me girl? You? I mean you? (of all people?) I see you've done nothing but being a burden to him (and Zero) since you became a pureblood. You can't even look after yourself! I mean you can't even decide which guy you want to be with.



3) What I see: ' Kaname: "...You're more suited to be under the sunlight."

Yuuki: "That's...something for me to decide Kaname!" blah blah blah and many more like "I want to stay as a vampire"

What I feel: WTF? Oh hell hello?! Are you having an amnesia? Does any of these lines sound familiar to you? "...Stop it...", "I won't forgive you...", "Stop it Yuuki", "Don't steal her from me...!" How dare you! I don't even think you deserve a right to say anything since you just erased Zero's memories two chapters ago. Don't you think he want to keep his memories as well? Seriously, I want to rip my hairs out!



Again, thank god there're only two chapters left. *sob in pure bliss* I never imagine that this day will finally come where we'll eventually get to see the end of this series but well, two more months and I'll be done tolerating with Yuuki's actions. *sigh in relief*



Haha you echoed my feelings perfectly XD



I have to agree as well, this is how this entire arc has come off as. It's so rushed that it backfires. Moving fast is supposed to be action packed and adrenaline rushing. Reading vampire knight is more like "Hm, huh? What? Isn't that... wait, weren't they just... wait a sec, did they just...? Huh, so that happened... hm, okay."



Like seriously... what was the point of Sara? She hardly did anything. She was established as a villain but really... she was just a lazy pureblood. The parent returning and 'dying' was a bit rushed an uneventful as well. And I don't entirely get the whole urgency of the situation. Has there been mass turnings going on? Doesn't sound like it.



As much as some diehards on here disagree (and I've had my head bitten off for saying it), Yuuki is just... useless. She puts on this brave face, but her own emotions flip flop. But she's what... 16? That's understandable. I can't see very many 16 year olds being able to lead a whole race and stop some imaginary conflict. There has been NO character growth. She's been the same since the beginning, she just became less shy with Kaname because Kaname senpai noticed her and she isn't as bubbly because the world isn't rainbows and sunshine anymore (but that hardly counts as character growth).



So judging by this situation... I'm guessing either Yuuki and Kaname will get to live happily ever after, or Yuuki will be forever alone in the end of the series. Sorry to Zero supporters,  but at this point, I just don't see how they can end the series with her hooking up with Zero without completely insulting the Kaname character. He is one of 3 main characters, he is apparently the most popular male character in Japan, and it'd just be all around sloppy to have so many flip flops at this point in the series.



That or the ending of the series is going to be horribly written. Something magical would have to happen.
 
  • #21
Oh Yukki, no you don't get a say, Just like you don't give other a say before you memory rape them..



But seriously, If this series end Zeki I'm gonna drown a kitten :(   Think of the kittens Hino, and for once overcome you bias and do right by zero instead of leaving him with sloppy 2nd's!!  Yet again another 180 turn, by the end of this we're all gonna need barf bags for the motion sickness...
 
  • #22
Hino must really get some kind of kick out of jerking her readers around.



The end is coming, thank goodness. I die a little more with each release.
 
  • #24
Why is it going exactly as expected ? Where are the twists and surprises ?(the only surprise in the recent chapters was Kaname having *** with yuuki lol !!!)

Kaname is going to die , Yuuki will turn human(again) and zeki will live happily(?) ever after . Boring . I don't want that ending .

Being a Kaname fan I am very sad witnessing the journey to his sacrifice T T

Don't die Kaname !!!!! It will break my heart if you die . How can Hino kill or even plan to kill Kaname .



Back to the chapter discussion , glad to know Kaito is alive but the sudden (lol)

recollection of Zero's memories and his talk about Yuki being the woman(seriously?) he wants to protect was so contradictory to his personality . I expect him to be the cool type who doesnt make comments like a person drowned in love lol .

The next chapter will unfortunately show a long lovers quarrel between Zeki . lol. (An excerpt : Zero-"How dare you erase my memories" Yuuki-"It was done to protect you"...........nonsense talks.......Zero-"I have always loved you and you can always come to me in the future")

I want a bloody (lol) ending . I want at least two people dead out of the main three (kaname, yuuki or Zero) .



Back to Kaname , please don't die what's the point in killing all the purebloods ?

Well I kind of know that there is no parent metal hence no way hunters can kill bad vampires but still is there no alternative ?



I don't like seeing an uncool Zero so please Hino let him stay as he is and don't turn him into a romantic shoujo type of guy (???) xD
 
  • #25
I swear, if this manga has a Yuki x Kaname ending I will burn something. At the same time though, I don't want it to have a Yuki x Zero happy ending type thing either. I guess the only answer is that she needs to go die somewhere and miraculously fix everything at the same time. Respect was lost for her when she slept with Kaname.
 
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