Background of most webnovels, Chinese socialist revolution

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So, I've read many webnovels that described life during the Cultural Revolution and how the communist ideology thrived in China.
This is my try to put into words what I've learned, feel free to correct me or add any information you wish below.
I've written this mainly to understand how another culture worked, and how I could create my own culture for a novel from scratch.


First son were the heir of the family, they and their wives were tasked with caring for their parents, help bring up their younger siblings and provide for the family.
They are like an umbrella, covering the whole family in case the roof (parents) leaks.

The girls were married away, it was considered a shameful thing for a male to marry in a family since being filial to one ancestors and their parents by carrying their family name was respected highly in society.
The girls were raised to be married away but didn't suffer from it during childhood. They weren't treated badly just because they would be married away, they were different from boys since they couldn't do hard work and would be part of another family after marrying, but they were still cared for as daughters.

When a girl has married away, the in-laws had to give the girl's parents a dowry, basically money and items to take their girl away.
Of course, the parents had to agree, but rather than searching for a suitable husband, it was more about who can give them more money, and who had the best family to support them in the future (completely about benefits)

After the girl is married away, there's either support from her family and she remains close with them, visiting and staying in touch, sometimes giving support when they are in trouble.
But her new family takes precedence over her birth parents. She must call her in-laws father and mother.

The younger boys, on the other hands, are given properties and money to give them the opportunity to create their own family and household.
If too poor, after paying the dowry for the wife, the boy may live in his parent's place until he saved up enough money to leave.

But it's the eldest son that is expected to look after the parents, care and provide for them as they grow older (doesn't mean the parents doesn't work anymore)
So it is expected that they live in the same house.

The relation between in-laws and wife is either the in-laws support and care for the wife (if she has suitable character or connexions) or one of servitude (if the wife is meek or doesn't have anything to show for herself), forcing her to work, do chores, and take care of her husband's parents.
Read cases of a girl marrying to a lower family, but instead of being filial to her new parents, she bosses around and take things into her own hands, completely reversing the traditional relationship between parents and daughter in law.
But if she doesn't possess that strength of character and have backers, she doesn't have much prestige in the family, at least until she gives birth to a son.
If a wife gives birth to a girl as her first child, there's disappointment, but it's still a happy event.
However, if she gives birth to a son, she gains a higher authority in the family. She can be cared and respected in her family, even if she doesn't have anything to support her apart from her son.
Sons are always desired more, since they bring more value to the family.

So, Chinese society isn't about emotions, it is built on top of values. Filial duty on top of them. Then comes the responsibility towards one's country, and community.
But what about caring for one self or for one's wife? Is there no concept of working to achieve one selfish happiness or to make one's wife happy.
There doesn't seem to be much emotions involved, only tradition.
I'm surprised that there is the concept of filial piety, but no filial love. Same with siblings. Society doesn't expect you to love your family, but you still have to work to provide for them.
Does tradition replace thoughts? I would think so since scholars were sent to be re-educated in farms, while farmers were considered as more important.
It doesn't ask you to think about what's good about your family or your country, you just need to do everything you can to help them. Since you're young you're taught to respect them without understanding why. It's more about indoctrinating than understanding. That's just how things are and it isn't required for you to understand their essence, only remember and follow their precepts. 
 
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sterotypically i suppose?

but aren't people starting to get more mordernise and challenging the ways of old? 
 
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Hmm, what I forgot to talk about was widows.
How they were forced to work and nurture their children with their own hands, while caring for the elderly in the house.
How they were seen by society, how they were treated, and if you were a widow while pregnant, why it was better to abort the pregnancy to remarry than give birth to the child. 
 
  • #5
I think you have a lot of mixed stuff in there. Read Fei Xiaotong's From the Soil. People are people. 
 
  • #6
Yep. Don't know what else to add, but someone living their culture could add more.  
 
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I'm not referring to current China society. I'm talking about how life was in the past, especially during the cultural revolution 1966-1976.
How a different society (not western) worked 
 
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sure kinda weird tho~


that's it~
communist party modified it to ensure governing smoothly~ 
 
  • #9
I don't understand non-East Asian people's weird hard on for Confucianism. In Chinese society, all the stuff in the past till now was primarily based on tradition, and it barely changed throughout the years. Yeah, "women had more power in Tang", and "women had less power in Song", blah blah blah, but all these short phrases you read in your history books K-12 only focused on nobility.

China was a hugely diverse nation, and even though the territory of a particularly kingdom or empire had drawn borders, the people within it did not care at all for the one on top, but lived life as they did for generations before them. In SOME families, women were discarded. In SOME families, women were valued. All of this varied from family to family, and even social status to social status, including the Four Levels of rankings.

As for dowry, it depends on the area, so stop trying to put a blanket statement across the Chinese landmass, let alone southeastern Asian countries that had relationships with Chinese kingdoms/empires. In some areas, the women's family provided a dowry for the daughter to marry over, which of course signified her status in RICH families. In regular families, a dowry could be a lot simpler or none at all. In some cases, the son has to save up a huge "dowry"/wife payment to the potential wife's family, which the wife's family would consider as potential suitor. In MOST cases, it is BOTH. After all, many Chinese relationships, including familial one, is primarily based on benefits.

As much as Mao liked to argue he was successful in stamping out traditional China, he was hardly successful other than following the US example of promoting anti-intellectualism. During his reigning years, people still followed traditional ways as usual. Basically the only difference is they stopped using a brush to write things 'cause that was "old China". Yeah, they no longer owned property, and they would be ordered to farm a certain amount and receive rationed supplies, but the actions were the same. People still bartered, married, etc., based on old ways. They still even lived in their traditional courtyards and would build in that custom. They still burned paper money to the dead, worshiped according to their family's rites, and so on. During times of starvation or low amount of food, usually at least one or more girl is kept alive to help manage the kids and everything else, and also as a bargaining chip to get some money out of her from the potential future husband. The girls would also need to help contribute to saving for her own dowry or helping the brother's for their bride payment. Sometimes even the boys would contribute to housekeeping. In normal families, there isn't a strong division between men and women's household duties. 
 
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BTW, have you read confucian before?

i feel like what you've just mention is the structure of it.
but people are alive, we have emotions, thoughts and beliefs. we are ever changing. 
 
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Confucius was child of a concubine of an old noble (which rank was at the bottom of the nobility) who past away 3 years after his birth. Confucius himself was a plebeian in a sort and thus why many of his disciples were also in majority commoners rather than nobles or rich merchants. Confucius also revealed that when he was young, he had to do a lot of "humble" jobs (degrading jobs) and it is known how he and his mother had a rather hard life.

Actually, Confucius himself rarely talked about women except once he said something like "only women and servants are hard to handle/deal with. keep them close and they are insolent but keep them far and they will have hatred towards you".
(taking from korean text but in chinese, it is: 子曰, 唯女子與小人爲難養也。近之則不孫, 遠之則怨)

Moreover, you have to take into account that Confucius is over 2500 years old.
And between Confucius (551~479 BC) and the Song dynasty (960~1279), there's a huuuuuge gap.
You have to take into account that
1. Books about confucius and the confucianism were collections of what was written by his disciples and other confucianists
2. Derivation of Confucianism over time (many interpretations, etc etc). Just think of the big religions. Be it Buddhism (Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayāna, etc etc), christanism (catholics, protestants, orthodoxe, etc with all the separation and schisms, etc) or Islamism (Chiites and Suniites, etc). Even among confucianists, there's different interpretations, additions of new ideas over time.
3. Geographical or historical derivation. With time or space, everything can be changed due to cultures, traditions, conflicts and such.
So the confucianism in China, Korea and Japan will not have the same form and even less when there's different history between each country. Everything is influenced by wars or new cultural revolution, etc. But confucianism itself was not the "patriarchal" ideology but simply used as excuses as much as religions or ideologies are and were used as excuses in doing many things in life and in History.

"Patriarchy" is and was "natural" in a way  when the society divides roles and the men are the protectors and providers of the family. Same for the animals. Depending on the roles, animals can be as well matriarchal and not patriarchal at all. But then only in the modern society it is seen as unfair as the women are becoming more active economically and socially.

I'm not saying either one is bad or good. There are indeed unfair things everywhere but it's not pushing an agenda of axis to the opposite side (saying xx is bad, is evil, is the origin of evil, etc etc) that things will be solved. It's by finding a consensus, talking and helping each other that things will get better.
People deserve respect for what they do and not what they are.
No women and no men deserve my respect if they are not deemed as worthy. 
 
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