Fairy Tail Chapter 451 Discussion

Seik0n said:
Wont Mavis tell Natsu that Zeref is his borther? Or he already knows, cant remember



How would Mavis even know that. Zeref never told her the specifics before he killed her

Guys Natsu figured out how to defeat Zeref in 1 year while training to defeat Acnologia.



Jellal has been trying to figure out ways to defeat Zeref for 8 years and Natsu has accomplished this in 1 year.



Hiro just took a steaming sh*t on Jellal and his quest for redemption.

This chapter was a bit underwhelming. Based on what we got in this chapter Acnologia is really strong I wonder how they will defeat him since Zeref needs the limitless magic source to beat him.

Darklight0303 said:
IMTM said:
Star-Angel said:
Now that I think about it, don't Fairy Heart and the flashback of when Zeref first created END look similar? I mean, they were both inside lacrima. And not really alive or dead, I think. Hard to say for END, but still.

I'm excited that we finally get to figure out what's up with Natsu's arm. We all know we've been waiting for it. Though the way Natsu revealed it was a bit disappointing. *shrugs* Oh well, that's Natsu for you.



And btw i predict zeref didnt create END 400 years ago. I mean when he met mavis 300 years ago he didnt mention anything that can kill him . he said he created magical beings called Eterious that surpasses human ..... so i think and predict he created END after he suffered the loss of his love being taken away as his final art so that it can kill him when time is right....... i guess he preserved his body but made him etherious afterward.



Except Atlas Flame said Igneel fought END 400 years ago? forget that?



Hmm i forgot that point. I take back what i said ......



And there is one thing that is weird in FT right now is END itself. I mean 1. The END book 2. Natsu's baby body in lacrima 3. Natsu in fairy tail .......  



how can natsu be in a lacrima as a child version and and adult version in guild  at same time . i get END book is his etherious form ..... And we saw natsu in fairy tail guild from child to grown up . If this natsu in guild is real who is in the lacrima that zeref have ???

Interesting explanations I guess to everything, can't wait to see the reveal of Natsu's new power on his arm. Only thing that worries me is the title "Prelude to the final battle" I see for the next chapter title. It feels far too early for the "Final battles" when the other side hasn't even had much development :l

hello09 said:
Zeref is a colossal mass of contradictions thanks to his curse. He almost certainly wants Lumen Historie because it's Mavis,not because it's a weapon. However,he also wants it because it's a weapon.



People actually have to give Hiro somewhat of a compliment for being decent with his "games".



Dunno if you read FT Zero but his truth or lie game was pretty creative(probably derived from some japanese kidsgame). Anyway I didn´t understand as Zeref´s curse makes the contradiction.



The contradiction comes through himself and his decisions.



He cherishes life. Whoever he cherises dies due to the curse.

Aka if he´s Happy that there are flowers blooming around him they wither "because" he appreciates them.



In order to not kill the flowers Zeref has to hate them, so that the spell doesn´t kill the flowers.

But he cannot lie with this, if he lies to himself the spell kills them anyway because he´s lying and still appreciating them.



To prevent them from dying to the Curse he has to honestly want to kill the flowers. But that´s not his true nature, aka he goes against his own will.



It´s a circle he cannot break out by himself.



Replace flowers with people and you understand why Zeref is fucked up in the head.

hello09 said:
I have read it.



Yes,this is why I say it's an effect of the curse. In a way,it is. He kills all he cherishes,so he must hate them to retain control of the curse's random death waves. He will end up killing what he cherishes intentionally instead.



However,it was made rather clear in chapter 450 that it has gone beyond reason. Zeref's mind itself has become contradictory,and if you remember the name of the curse,it seems like this is an intentional side effect. Not even Zeref realized that he went insane. He said he wanted to kill Natsu. That totally goes against his plans.



Because if he doesn´t honestly believe in in he would kill him on contact, however

if he decides to kill him honestly the curse won´t harm Natsu making it actually plausible to his plans.



Aka whatever Zeref says/ he means the opposite, (as long as the person is alive).

Apparently he seems to be capable of being indiferent about his country.



Meaning, he doesn´t intend to kill Acnologia, at least not openly.

Acnologias Breath kills through seperating body and soul.



A 1 hit kill technique,that is total, but in order to prevent Zeref´s curse from killing Acnologia first, he needs to attack him with killing intent.



I don´t know which role Mavis plays in that,but that should be his motivation to fight him.

Who would have thought that Gajeel had such thought about love? hmmmm I wonder why....? But will we finally know what Natsu's secret technique is, and why he is hiding it under those bandages?? Did anybody else Mavis' reaction when Natsu stood up?? I have a feeling she might know something.



Did you guys see the title for chapter 452??! it's going to be "prelude to final battle". Do you guys know what that means....? I want to cry really bad.



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